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It's times like this that I'm very glad the ECHR exists.
by ksrm 13y ago
It's times like this that I'm very glad the ECHR exists.
- cabalamat 13y agoIt is perhaps not surprising that the government wants to scrap it -- http://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/sep/30/conservitives-scrap-human-rights-act http://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/sep/30/conservitives-scr...
- arethuza 13y agoI was a bit vague on the European Convention on Human Rights - this article from the BBC is quite good: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/948143.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/948143.stm One particularly interesting point: "The UK was one of the first members of the Council of Europe to ratify the Convention when it passed through Parliament in 1951." Indeed, Chruchill seems to have been very keen on the idea - how ironic! http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/oct/04/human-rights-act-conservatives http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009...
- GunlogAlm 13y agoIf UKIP had their way, we wouldn't be in the European Union or Council of Europe and would be withdrawn from the Human Rights Convention.
- lmm 13y agoYeah, but UKIP are nutters.
- cobrophy 13y agoNutters that are becoming increasingly popular.
- spongle 13y agoIndeed. The problem Is that nutters vote nutters in. A big chunk of the UK consists of nutters. Look at the EDL for example. I've lived places where idiots like that are worshipped. Thoroughly depressing.
- arethuza 13y agoI don't think UKIP have much support here in Scotland - I suspect most people see them as the "Little Englander" party: http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/why-ukip-has-no-relevance-in-scotland.22300279 http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/why-ukip-ha...
- gadders 13y agoWell, if the SNP had had their way you'd be in the Euro instead.
- DanBC 13y agoTrue, but sadly they are popular nutters. Daly with UK voter turn out being so low (between 60% and 70%) it's not so hard to grab some votes, especially if you spew the kind of stuff that UKIP spew. It'd be interesting to see some vigorous modelling with different amounts of UKIP influence to see what happens (in the fictitious model). (http://ukpolitical.info/turnout45.htm http://ukpolitical.info/turnout45.htm)
- gadders 13y agoYeah, because being against a corrupt, unelected organisation that can't even get its own accounts signed off due to corruption and fraud. What a crazy position to take.
- yrro 13y agohttp://fullfact.org/factchecks/has_eu_budget_rejected_auditors_18_years-28593 http://fullfact.org/factchecks/has_eu_budget_rejected_audito...
- gadders 13y agoAnd a good thing too. That way prisoners wouldn't get the vote, we'd be able to deport terrorists etc etc. I can't see any additional rights that I have that I didn't have before it became part of British law. All I see are dis-benefits.
- SideburnsOfDoom 13y agoOk, I'll bite. What are the dis-benefits? Which human rights do you specifically want to lose?
- ksrm 13y ago>That way prisoners wouldn't get the vote Why is this a good thing? Prisoners are still citizens. Disenfranchising them only serves to further alienate them from society. Time and again the ECHR has served as an important check on breaches of the European Convention by the UK. But a few examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_and_Grady_v_United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_and_Grady_v_United_Kingdo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders_v_United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders_v_United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Bournewood_Community_and_Mental_Health_NHS_Trust http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Bournewood_Community_and_Me... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_v_United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_v_United_Kingdom