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What's ridiculous about everybody bending over backwards for the Netflix usecase is that Hollywood isn't letting Netflix have the content anyway because they wa

by guelo 13y ago

What's ridiculous about everybody bending over backwards for the Netflix usecase is that Hollywood isn't letting Netflix have the content anyway because they want to control and destroy yet another medium. Hollywood is a corrupting evil in our technical, legal and political systems and should be shunned, not accommodated, as much as possible.

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- belorn 13y ago
  Boycotting is a tool used by advocates to bring up media attentions and raise public awareness. Its surely a useful tool, but not the only one. We can still say no to Hollywood when they try to attain ownership of our private owned hardware, our software, our networks.
  - antocv 13y ago
    It is quite ridiculous that in a very capitalist oriented society the consumers end up owning nothing. Not even the movies they payed to watch, or the smart-phones in their pockets are really their property. Well, "the intellectual property" which prevents me from selling a copy of movie or book I bought, seems to supersede private property. I miss the old days when my money could actually buy things and I could trade with the goods and services that I bought. Now they want to take ownership of my user agent, my browser, they want to impose their intellectual rights on it, instead of mine.
    - sudomal 13y ago
      Movies are probably the most easily justifiable for DRM. They aren't the sorts of 'products' that people watch over and over again (unless they get a cult following). A single viewing of a movie reduces the value to a point where it may not be purchased. That's why distributors release them in as many stunted, protected, phases as possible - they want a return on their investment before it becomes relatively worthless.
      - DanBC 13y ago
        > Movies are probably the most easily justifiable for DRM. They aren't the sorts of 'products' that people watch over and over again (unless they get a cult following). Children watch movies VERY MANY TIMES. They also manage to destroy the physical media. I'm not sure what the law is about making a backup of the disc (is backup exempted, or am I circumventing an effective copyright measure?) but morally I think it's okay to make a back up of a DVD. Having said that, I'm on my 3rd DVD of Despicable Me.
        chris_wot 13y ago
        > Children watch movies VERY MANY TIMES. They also manage to destroy the physical media. 100% agreed and can personally attest to that!!
        menubar 13y ago
        These kids are destroying property that does not belong to them. This is a felony punishable by prison time and hard labor. You'd better turn them in at the nearest police station before Hollywood finds out and sends their hired thugs after you.
        chris_wot 13y ago
        Believe me, there are some days I'm sorely tempted!
        aaronem 13y ago
        What? I mean, full marks for hyperbole, but even DIVX never tried to claim the buyer didn't own the physical medium. It's the ownership of the bits stored thereon that's under discussion.
        PeterisP 13y ago
        Making backups as such is legal under general global copyright laws. In USA however, if a content seller makes it very difficult to make a backup, then distributing devices to circumvent that may be illegal under DMCA.
    - kefka 13y ago
      Try buying your smartphones from China, from places like AliExpress. I just bought a Samsung Mega clone, 1.2 GHz quad core, 1G ram, 16GB storage, 2 sim cards, 2 batteries. Camera's even better than the Samsung offerings too. $200 US. And they come unlocked and prerooted, ready for your hackings and exploits.* You just have to be smart where you do business. Our US dollars really are an effective weapon to wield against other entities. Especially in cases of locked devices, there are answers we can respond to. You just have to be aware that those choices exist, rather than say the Galaxy Note 3 with region SIM locking. And I also have 0 problems with piracy, at all. I haven't a problem with paying for content and services. I've paid for a fair share of DVDs, VHS, CDs, tapes, and other forms of media... many times over. And then, they want me to pay for it again just because it's in another format? Nope. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, and I take matters in my own hands. *http://www.aliexpress.com/item/new-arrival-in-may-6-Haipai-N7889-MTK6589-Quad-Core-android-phone-1GB-RAM-16GB-Dual/934112323.html http://www.aliexpress.com/item/new-arrival-in-may-6-Haipai-N...
      - learningram 13y ago
        Hey, care to share your review on the phone..Broke my phone and don't have the budget for a 600$ phone
        kefka 13y ago
        Sure. It's the profile (except thickness) of a Samsung Mega. The actual viewable screen size is smaller than a mega but larger than the Note 2. You need to see it to understand how exactly big this phone is. It's by far one of the biggest phones I've seen (and used). I paid extra for expedited shipping, and the total was $213, and got it in 6 or 7 days. It comes with 3 cases: a standard back, a snap-on hardcase for the back, and a back with a cloth-hard flap lid. I use that third one so it protects the screen. If you want 3rd party equipment for this, AliExpress does have _some_ n7889 stuff, but nothing like the OtterBoxes. The phone itself feels sturdy, and not like a bootleg. Also note, there's no samsung logos anywhere (unlike some of the fake iphones that have peel-off stickers of the apple logo). The first thing I noticed is how buttery smooth everything is. I like that mushroom live wallpaper, and I've never seen a frame drop or lag at all. Don't get me wrong, I'm not much of a gamer, but Angry Birds is also perfect too. Everything just is so fast (faster than my few year old laptop). Do note, that the screen is a BIG battery eater. Then again, it's a big screen. There is a GPS on the device, however weirdly there is no compass. So the Google skydome does weird behavior. But that's not a big deal to me. Also, the stylus is NOT a S-pen. It's just a capacitive touch end, and the stylus does NOT work on the touch 'Back' and 'Home' buttons. I'm not sure if they do or don't work like that on the Note's, either. However, the screen can take up to 5 inputs (that does surprise me). You can see that with mobileuncle tools and go into engineer mode. The device DOES have an FM radio, unlike Samsungs. And you can record FM channels (coooool), but you need headphones hooked in. I also notice better antenna and cell strength than my previous iPhone 3GS. And about the Cell: there's 2 sim cards. The first slot supports 3G AT&T frequencies, and the second slot is a 2G. The idea is you can do calls on both, and fast data on the first slot. There's a sim manager in the settings that you can do cool stuff like bind a user to a certain SIM. It also supports Miracast, or "Wireless Display". Went into a Best Buy and demoed that out. Evidently, the Samsung phones cannot handle miracast when you change orientation. This phone can. Ive never seen this before, and it was DAMN sweet :P Ended up playing Psy's Gentleman (it was a HD video I grabbed and threw on there to see the quality of the screen). It's running Android 4.2.1 and uses MTK chipset. I don't think it'd be terribly hard to update the rom, as there are 2 3rd party rom mods for this phone. Phone model is Haipai Noble n7889
shmerl 13y ago
Netflix can't excuse itself for being a mere conduit for evil DRM lobby. No one was forcing them, it's their own choice to be that conduit. And for that, they can be blamed not less than the DRM lobby itself. Since Netflix helps proliferation of DRM in a big way. Users can vote with their wallets in order to reverse the sick trend of publishers who push DRM everywhere, but it's not as effective as distributors voting with their wallets. And Netflix clearly votes for DRM, not against it.
- kemiller 13y ago
  I don't really get the resistance to DRM in the Netflix case. I'm against DRM on any media that is represented as a purchase. But you're not buying movies from them, you're renting them, and it's never represented as anything else. DRM seems not only acceptable in the rental case, but probably necessary.
  - shmerl 13y ago
    Resistance to DRM should be in each and every case IMHO. Why should Netflix suddenly be excluded? Renting of digital data is a stupid idea to begin with. And using DRM to enforce the renting aspect (since without it, "enforcing" it is not possible) is even more stupid and unethical at the same time. All this comes from some paranoid and unhealthy urge of publishers to restrict copying (even legal copying).
    - md224 13y ago
      Do you support the sale of digital content in general? If so, isn't there a moral issue in allowing one person to have for free what another person had to pay for? (Unless you're implementing some kind of "pay what you can afford" system.) Isn't that theoretically "stealing"? What's the solution? > Renting of digital data is a stupid idea to begin with. I don't think it's stupid. I think it allows consumers flexibility; they can pay more and fully own digital content, or they can save money and pay less for temporary access.
      - 13y ago

by guelo 13y ago

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belorn 13y ago
Boycotting is a tool used by advocates to bring up media attentions and raise public awareness. Its surely a useful tool, but not the only one. We can still say no to Hollywood when they try to attain ownership of our private owned hardware, our software, our networks.
- antocv 13y ago
  It is quite ridiculous that in a very capitalist oriented society the consumers end up owning nothing. Not even the movies they payed to watch, or the smart-phones in their pockets are really their property. Well, "the intellectual property" which prevents me from selling a copy of movie or book I bought, seems to supersede private property. I miss the old days when my money could actually buy things and I could trade with the goods and services that I bought. Now they want to take ownership of my user agent, my browser, they want to impose their intellectual rights on it, instead of mine.
  - sudomal 13y ago
    Movies are probably the most easily justifiable for DRM. They aren't the sorts of 'products' that people watch over and over again (unless they get a cult following). A single viewing of a movie reduces the value to a point where it may not be purchased. That's why distributors release them in as many stunted, protected, phases as possible - they want a return on their investment before it becomes relatively worthless.
    - DanBC 13y ago
      > Movies are probably the most easily justifiable for DRM. They aren't the sorts of 'products' that people watch over and over again (unless they get a cult following). Children watch movies VERY MANY TIMES. They also manage to destroy the physical media. I'm not sure what the law is about making a backup of the disc (is backup exempted, or am I circumventing an effective copyright measure?) but morally I think it's okay to make a back up of a DVD. Having said that, I'm on my 3rd DVD of Despicable Me.
      - chris_wot 13y ago
        > Children watch movies VERY MANY TIMES. They also manage to destroy the physical media. 100% agreed and can personally attest to that!!
        menubar 13y ago
        These kids are destroying property that does not belong to them. This is a felony punishable by prison time and hard labor. You'd better turn them in at the nearest police station before Hollywood finds out and sends their hired thugs after you.
        chris_wot 13y ago
        Believe me, there are some days I'm sorely tempted!
        aaronem 13y ago
        What? I mean, full marks for hyperbole, but even DIVX never tried to claim the buyer didn't own the physical medium. It's the ownership of the bits stored thereon that's under discussion.
      - PeterisP 13y ago
        Making backups as such is legal under general global copyright laws. In USA however, if a content seller makes it very difficult to make a backup, then distributing devices to circumvent that may be illegal under DMCA.
  - kefka 13y ago
    Try buying your smartphones from China, from places like AliExpress. I just bought a Samsung Mega clone, 1.2 GHz quad core, 1G ram, 16GB storage, 2 sim cards, 2 batteries. Camera's even better than the Samsung offerings too. $200 US. And they come unlocked and prerooted, ready for your hackings and exploits.* You just have to be smart where you do business. Our US dollars really are an effective weapon to wield against other entities. Especially in cases of locked devices, there are answers we can respond to. You just have to be aware that those choices exist, rather than say the Galaxy Note 3 with region SIM locking. And I also have 0 problems with piracy, at all. I haven't a problem with paying for content and services. I've paid for a fair share of DVDs, VHS, CDs, tapes, and other forms of media... many times over. And then, they want me to pay for it again just because it's in another format? Nope. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, and I take matters in my own hands. *http://www.aliexpress.com/item/new-arrival-in-may-6-Haipai-N7889-MTK6589-Quad-Core-android-phone-1GB-RAM-16GB-Dual/934112323.html http://www.aliexpress.com/item/new-arrival-in-may-6-Haipai-N...
    - learningram 13y ago
      Hey, care to share your review on the phone..Broke my phone and don't have the budget for a 600$ phone
      - kefka 13y ago
        Sure. It's the profile (except thickness) of a Samsung Mega. The actual viewable screen size is smaller than a mega but larger than the Note 2. You need to see it to understand how exactly big this phone is. It's by far one of the biggest phones I've seen (and used). I paid extra for expedited shipping, and the total was $213, and got it in 6 or 7 days. It comes with 3 cases: a standard back, a snap-on hardcase for the back, and a back with a cloth-hard flap lid. I use that third one so it protects the screen. If you want 3rd party equipment for this, AliExpress does have _some_ n7889 stuff, but nothing like the OtterBoxes. The phone itself feels sturdy, and not like a bootleg. Also note, there's no samsung logos anywhere (unlike some of the fake iphones that have peel-off stickers of the apple logo). The first thing I noticed is how buttery smooth everything is. I like that mushroom live wallpaper, and I've never seen a frame drop or lag at all. Don't get me wrong, I'm not much of a gamer, but Angry Birds is also perfect too. Everything just is so fast (faster than my few year old laptop). Do note, that the screen is a BIG battery eater. Then again, it's a big screen. There is a GPS on the device, however weirdly there is no compass. So the Google skydome does weird behavior. But that's not a big deal to me. Also, the stylus is NOT a S-pen. It's just a capacitive touch end, and the stylus does NOT work on the touch 'Back' and 'Home' buttons. I'm not sure if they do or don't work like that on the Note's, either. However, the screen can take up to 5 inputs (that does surprise me). You can see that with mobileuncle tools and go into engineer mode. The device DOES have an FM radio, unlike Samsungs. And you can record FM channels (coooool), but you need headphones hooked in. I also notice better antenna and cell strength than my previous iPhone 3GS. And about the Cell: there's 2 sim cards. The first slot supports 3G AT&T frequencies, and the second slot is a 2G. The idea is you can do calls on both, and fast data on the first slot. There's a sim manager in the settings that you can do cool stuff like bind a user to a certain SIM. It also supports Miracast, or "Wireless Display". Went into a Best Buy and demoed that out. Evidently, the Samsung phones cannot handle miracast when you change orientation. This phone can. Ive never seen this before, and it was DAMN sweet :P Ended up playing Psy's Gentleman (it was a HD video I grabbed and threw on there to see the quality of the screen). It's running Android 4.2.1 and uses MTK chipset. I don't think it'd be terribly hard to update the rom, as there are 2 3rd party rom mods for this phone. Phone model is Haipai Noble n7889

shmerl 13y ago

Netflix can't excuse itself for being a mere conduit for evil DRM lobby. No one was forcing them, it's their own choice to be that conduit. And for that, they can be blamed not less than the DRM lobby itself. Since Netflix helps proliferation of DRM in a big way. Users can vote with their wallets in order to reverse the sick trend of publishers who push DRM everywhere, but it's not as effective as distributors voting with their wallets. And Netflix clearly votes for DRM, not against it.

kemiller 13y ago
I don't really get the resistance to DRM in the Netflix case. I'm against DRM on any media that is represented as a purchase. But you're not buying movies from them, you're renting them, and it's never represented as anything else. DRM seems not only acceptable in the rental case, but probably necessary.
- shmerl 13y ago
  Resistance to DRM should be in each and every case IMHO. Why should Netflix suddenly be excluded? Renting of digital data is a stupid idea to begin with. And using DRM to enforce the renting aspect (since without it, "enforcing" it is not possible) is even more stupid and unethical at the same time. All this comes from some paranoid and unhealthy urge of publishers to restrict copying (even legal copying).
  - md224 13y ago
    Do you support the sale of digital content in general? If so, isn't there a moral issue in allowing one person to have for free what another person had to pay for? (Unless you're implementing some kind of "pay what you can afford" system.) Isn't that theoretically "stealing"? What's the solution? > Renting of digital data is a stupid idea to begin with. I don't think it's stupid. I think it allows consumers flexibility; they can pay more and fully own digital content, or they can save money and pay less for temporary access.
    - 13y ago