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You can't. You have to sign up for the dev program to get the app on your device. You can program to the simulator, but that doesn't help you with the unique fe

You can't. You have to sign up for the dev program to get the app on your device. You can program to the simulator, but that doesn't help you with the unique features of the phone (camera, accelerometer, etc).

mcantor 17y ago
WOW. I didn't realize that was the case. Now I understand the App store fiasco much more... it seems like Apple is paying the price for its closed architecture culture. That makes me feel even more strongly about my original post: With an open architecture and less stringent gatekeeping, the G-1 is poised to take advantage of the PR disaster that Apple has been cultivating. It's too bad Apple has a monopoly on branding expertise, or T-Mobile and Google could really strike a decisive blow.
- DenisM 17y ago
  Fiasco? You think App Store is not a success but a fiasco?
  - Andys 17y ago
    Well, I'm a developer who is interested in stuff more serious than iFart. I recently got an Android phone because I was turned off by all the negative stories I read about developing for iPhone. I can't be the only one in this boat.
    - whughes 17y ago
      If the App Store wasn't a massive success, no one would bother to develop for it, and no one would complain. The negative stories are an indicator of Apple's success. For developers, the Store is a negative, but for the users it is a clear positive; it delivers advanced and slick applications at relatively cheap prices. The users don't hear/care about the developer problems.
- GHFigs 17y ago
  Apple has a monopoly on branding expertise Could you explain this?
  - mcantor 17y ago
    I just meant that there's no one out there who can inspire consumers to brand loyalty and excitement as deftly as Apple can.
    - GHFigs 17y ago
      There is no monopoly on deftness.
orangecat 17y ago
Or you can jailbreak, which lets you run unsigned apps including ones that you build in Xcode. But yeah, developing exclusively for the iPhone is just handing Apple a kill switch to your company.
- mcantor 17y ago
  Your point is clear and practical, but a thought just occurred to me: Imagine if you had to jailbreak your Windows machine to use applications that Microsoft hadn't approved...
  - w1ntermute 17y ago
    The issue here is that the average person doesn't see the iPhone as a computer. That's why Apple is able to screw its users over like this and not catch any flak for it.
  - orangecat 17y ago
    I agree completely. Most of the fanboys who defend Apple's practices would be (justifiably) howling in outrage if any other company did the same thing.
  - jstevens85 17y ago
    you mean like the Xbox? I don't think anyone is really complaining about that.
    - whughes 17y ago
      The Dreamcast was relatively open. I think the big reason that Apple kept the phone closed was because it could. People make the mistake of looking at it from a Mac/PC perspective, when really the iPhone was aimed at a consumer market which was already used to phones where the carrier had all the power. Sure, Windows Mobile is pretty open, but how many people use WM compared to generic "text phones"? I'd bet the vast majority of iPhone switchers are coming from the latter category, where the phone company owns your phone for all intents and purposes.

mcantor 17y ago

WOW. I didn't realize that was the case. Now I understand the App store fiasco much more... it seems like Apple is paying the price for its closed architecture culture. That makes me feel even more strongly about my original post: With an open architecture and less stringent gatekeeping, the G-1 is poised to take advantage of the PR disaster that Apple has been cultivating. It's too bad Apple has a monopoly on branding expertise, or T-Mobile and Google could really strike a decisive blow.

DenisM 17y ago
Fiasco? You think App Store is not a success but a fiasco?
- Andys 17y ago
  Well, I'm a developer who is interested in stuff more serious than iFart. I recently got an Android phone because I was turned off by all the negative stories I read about developing for iPhone. I can't be the only one in this boat.
  - whughes 17y ago
    If the App Store wasn't a massive success, no one would bother to develop for it, and no one would complain. The negative stories are an indicator of Apple's success. For developers, the Store is a negative, but for the users it is a clear positive; it delivers advanced and slick applications at relatively cheap prices. The users don't hear/care about the developer problems.
GHFigs 17y ago
Apple has a monopoly on branding expertise Could you explain this?
- mcantor 17y ago
  I just meant that there's no one out there who can inspire consumers to brand loyalty and excitement as deftly as Apple can.
  - GHFigs 17y ago
    There is no monopoly on deftness.

orangecat 17y ago

Or you can jailbreak, which lets you run unsigned apps including ones that you build in Xcode. But yeah, developing exclusively for the iPhone is just handing Apple a kill switch to your company.

mcantor 17y ago
Your point is clear and practical, but a thought just occurred to me: Imagine if you had to jailbreak your Windows machine to use applications that Microsoft hadn't approved...
- w1ntermute 17y ago
  The issue here is that the average person doesn't see the iPhone as a computer. That's why Apple is able to screw its users over like this and not catch any flak for it.
- orangecat 17y ago
  I agree completely. Most of the fanboys who defend Apple's practices would be (justifiably) howling in outrage if any other company did the same thing.
- jstevens85 17y ago
  you mean like the Xbox? I don't think anyone is really complaining about that.
  - whughes 17y ago
    The Dreamcast was relatively open. I think the big reason that Apple kept the phone closed was because it could. People make the mistake of looking at it from a Mac/PC perspective, when really the iPhone was aimed at a consumer market which was already used to phones where the carrier had all the power. Sure, Windows Mobile is pretty open, but how many people use WM compared to generic "text phones"? I'd bet the vast majority of iPhone switchers are coming from the latter category, where the phone company owns your phone for all intents and purposes.