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The cut-and-paste thing is really a basic feature for me and I think it was working in Mac Os 8+, we already have a copy-and-paste. I can't understand why they

by cake 17y ago

The cut-and-paste thing is really a basic feature for me and I think it was working in Mac Os 8+, we already have a copy-and-paste. I can't understand why they couldn't implement the cut-and-paste. I don't understand how you can't miss it, unless you "mv" everything. The maximize thing is not entirely Windows, I remember seeing it on some Linux distros. I hate to see the clutter behind my windows, especially if I have a browser open on some webpage with a blinking ad. I find it much harder to focus on the app on which I'm supposed to work if I have other stuff behind.

larrykubin 17y ago
I feel the same way about maximize. If you complain about it, someone who defends every Apple decision will say "why would you want to do that? It doesn't make sense." http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=600389 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=600389 Anyway, I downloaded something called Right Zoom that changes the behavior of the zoom button (which I find practically useless). http://www.blazingtools.com/downloads.html http://www.blazingtools.com/downloads.html
- nixme 17y ago
  If you'd rather not use a proprietary program from a company that makes keyloggers, check out WrongZoom (downloadable link in the readme): http://github.com/spicyj/wrongzoom/tree/master http://github.com/spicyj/wrongzoom/tree/master
- DLWormwood 17y ago
  I don't defend every Apple decision... but this is more a case of history with Apple creating a windowing paradigm before Microsoft did... http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8pejm/i_love_my_mac_as_much_as_the_next_guy_but/c0a0rem http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8pejm/i_love_my_mac_a...
ZeroGravitas 17y ago
You can drag'n'drop the file too. And for blinking ads in the background try either Option-Command-H (Hide everything else) or Spaces. Yes I know that's not the answer you want, but just in case it helps you or anyone else.
mcella 17y ago
For some apps (ff for instance) holding cmd while clicking (+) maximizes like in windows.
DLWormwood 17y ago
This is partly historical. When MultiFinder was introduced to System 6, the Mac's primary difference from the PCs of the era was an emphasis on mouse manipulation, instead of keyboard manipuation (via DOS's command line, mostly). It was expected for end users to use drag-and-drop to move information between applications, instead of using the clipboard. (Something that Apple themselves didn't fully come through with regarding APIs until System 7.) Since drag-and-drop requires visible targets to work, and users were expected to have to see data from two or more apps at the same time, it was considered "rude" to take up the entire screen. (Even apps that tried to do so were constrained by the OS to provide a 4-pixel gutter around the edges of the screen so the user could always option-click the Finder to the foreground.) The notion that you only do work in just one app was considered "missing the point" for multitasking, which is part of the reason the original "Switcher" metaphor for multitasking in the classic Mac OS was abandoned. http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Switcher.txt http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Switcher.txt Upshot: Apple's UI designers seem to regret adapting the newspaper publisher's concept of the clipboard, and have been trying to invent workarounds ever since, probably because it's a form of "hidden state." (See iPhone 1.x and 2.x for a more recent example.) The only time in recent memory Apple acknowledged the validity of a clipboard model was when they tried to adapt it to a "publish and subscribe" dynamic system in System 7, only to give up when implementation and UI complexities with the concept rendered that unpopular.

by cake 17y ago

larrykubin 17y ago

I feel the same way about maximize. If you complain about it, someone who defends every Apple decision will say "why would you want to do that? It doesn't make sense." http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=600389 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=600389 Anyway, I downloaded something called Right Zoom that changes the behavior of the zoom button (which I find practically useless). http://www.blazingtools.com/downloads.html http://www.blazingtools.com/downloads.html

nixme 17y ago
If you'd rather not use a proprietary program from a company that makes keyloggers, check out WrongZoom (downloadable link in the readme): http://github.com/spicyj/wrongzoom/tree/master http://github.com/spicyj/wrongzoom/tree/master
DLWormwood 17y ago
I don't defend every Apple decision... but this is more a case of history with Apple creating a windowing paradigm before Microsoft did... http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8pejm/i_love_my_mac_as_much_as_the_next_guy_but/c0a0rem http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8pejm/i_love_my_mac_a...

ZeroGravitas 17y ago

You can drag'n'drop the file too. And for blinking ads in the background try either Option-Command-H (Hide everything else) or Spaces. Yes I know that's not the answer you want, but just in case it helps you or anyone else.

mcella 17y ago

For some apps (ff for instance) holding cmd while clicking (+) maximizes like in windows.

DLWormwood 17y ago

This is partly historical. When MultiFinder was introduced to System 6, the Mac's primary difference from the PCs of the era was an emphasis on mouse manipulation, instead of keyboard manipuation (via DOS's command line, mostly). It was expected for end users to use drag-and-drop to move information between applications, instead of using the clipboard. (Something that Apple themselves didn't fully come through with regarding APIs until System 7.) Since drag-and-drop requires visible targets to work, and users were expected to have to see data from two or more apps at the same time, it was considered "rude" to take up the entire screen. (Even apps that tried to do so were constrained by the OS to provide a 4-pixel gutter around the edges of the screen so the user could always option-click the Finder to the foreground.) The notion that you only do work in just one app was considered "missing the point" for multitasking, which is part of the reason the original "Switcher" metaphor for multitasking in the classic Mac OS was abandoned. http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Switcher.txt http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Switcher.txt Upshot: Apple's UI designers seem to regret adapting the newspaper publisher's concept of the clipboard, and have been trying to invent workarounds ever since, probably because it's a form of "hidden state." (See iPhone 1.x and 2.x for a more recent example.) The only time in recent memory Apple acknowledged the validity of a clipboard model was when they tried to adapt it to a "publish and subscribe" dynamic system in System 7, only to give up when implementation and UI complexities with the concept rendered that unpopular.