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That is not what he said in his post, and I am excited to see him doing Penflip. I wish him the best. Glad that he did decide to commit to something meaningfu

by jsonmez 13y ago

That is not what he said in his post, and I am excited to see him doing Penflip. I wish him the best. Glad that he did decide to commit to something meaningful after-all.

Smudge 13y ago
loren concluded his post with this: > I'm going to build whatever keeps me up at night. I have a long list, but there's one project that I'm particularly passionate about. It might turn into a startup. It might not. Who knows. So, sounds like it was exactly what he said in his post.
- scott_s 13y ago
  Very much, yes. To conclude otherwise is only possible through not actually reading what was originally written, or deliberately ignoring it.
- jsonmez 13y ago
  You are still missing it. Doing whatever you passionate about from a long list is not the same thing as committing to meaningful work over the long haul. You have to be able to make it through what I believe Seth Godin calls "the dip."
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > You are still missing it. Doing whatever you passionate about from a long list is not the same thing as committing to meaningful work over the long haul. Yeah, it is. Meaningful is subjective, and it is committing to do what is meaningful to the person doing the work. > You have to be able to make it through what I believe Seth Godin calls "the dip." "Have to"...why? So you can be a good cog in someone else's machine?
  - scott_s 13y ago
    So why did you assume he was not going to do that?
shubb 13y ago
My take on what is negative about the HN subculture - Basically, startups probably don't work out. But if you bet on a lot of them, and do it well, you will make money from the few that do. To found a startup is to make a bet that isn't favorable to you. You would do better to shoot for a lifestyle business. You are spending 1-5 years on a lottery ticket, when you could be buying an annuity with it instead. The VC/incubator crowd, inciting young people who don't know how much 5 years out of your 20s is worth, to spend it making a bad bet that the VC ultimately wins. (Your 20s set the tone for your future career, your first paycheck sets the subsequent ones, and they are the best time to find a good life partner.) Once a startup gets funding, and pays the founders 100k a year, they are on the good side of the bet. There is an invisible mass of unfunded quit and bootstrap attempts out there, or people at minor incubators eating noodles and living for 3 years in a shared one room flat. Those are the guys that lost the bet. Anyway, that's just my view as an outside observer. Maybe it is wildly wrong.

by jsonmez 13y ago

That is not what he said in his post, and I am excited to see him doing Penflip. I wish him the best. Glad that he did decide to commit to something meaningful after-all.

Smudge 13y ago

loren concluded his post with this: > I'm going to build whatever keeps me up at night. I have a long list, but there's one project that I'm particularly passionate about. It might turn into a startup. It might not. Who knows. So, sounds like it was exactly what he said in his post.

scott_s 13y ago
Very much, yes. To conclude otherwise is only possible through not actually reading what was originally written, or deliberately ignoring it.
jsonmez 13y ago
You are still missing it. Doing whatever you passionate about from a long list is not the same thing as committing to meaningful work over the long haul. You have to be able to make it through what I believe Seth Godin calls "the dip."
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > You are still missing it. Doing whatever you passionate about from a long list is not the same thing as committing to meaningful work over the long haul. Yeah, it is. Meaningful is subjective, and it is committing to do what is meaningful to the person doing the work. > You have to be able to make it through what I believe Seth Godin calls "the dip." "Have to"...why? So you can be a good cog in someone else's machine?
- scott_s 13y ago
  So why did you assume he was not going to do that?

shubb 13y ago

My take on what is negative about the HN subculture - Basically, startups probably don't work out. But if you bet on a lot of them, and do it well, you will make money from the few that do. To found a startup is to make a bet that isn't favorable to you. You would do better to shoot for a lifestyle business. You are spending 1-5 years on a lottery ticket, when you could be buying an annuity with it instead. The VC/incubator crowd, inciting young people who don't know how much 5 years out of your 20s is worth, to spend it making a bad bet that the VC ultimately wins. (Your 20s set the tone for your future career, your first paycheck sets the subsequent ones, and they are the best time to find a good life partner.) Once a startup gets funding, and pays the founders 100k a year, they are on the good side of the bet. There is an invisible mass of unfunded quit and bootstrap attempts out there, or people at minor incubators eating noodles and living for 3 years in a shared one room flat. Those are the guys that lost the bet. Anyway, that's just my view as an outside observer. Maybe it is wildly wrong.