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Explain to me like I'm 5 years old. What happened here? I understand data was leaked, but I don't know why the author is "shocked" or "disappointed"(in who?). W

by smtddr 13y ago

Explain to me like I'm 5 years old. What happened here? I understand data was leaked, but I don't know why the author is "shocked" or "disappointed"(in who?). Why is this such a big deal and "extremely" illegal? How does this impact the companies involved?

x0x0 13y ago
as part of the apple-samsung lawsuit, apple produced apparently incredibly business sensitive licensing agreements, some of which where with Nokia. In order to avoid samsung using this to their advantage/letting samsung go on a fishing expedition, the agreement was apple's documents would only go to apple's lawyers and samsung's external legal firm. Samsung's external lawyers had a duty to avoid giving this knowledge to their employers. Since lying and cheating are pervasive ethics at Samsung (see: recent benchmarking results), Samsung of course got their hands on a copy of this agreements in order to help negotiate negotiate their own deals with Nokia. Nokia told the court. Samsung and their firm and busy lying to the court and hiding. However, the court has subpoena powers. At minimum Samsung's external legal firm stands to be censured.
- yapcguy 13y ago
  > Since lying and cheating are pervasive ethics at Samsung (see: recent benchmarking results) Oh come on, this is silly. You don't think Apple manipulate benchmarks and statistics? Or deny product faults and quietly settle years later e.g. iPhone 4 Antenna? Or how about e-book price fixing?!! It's ridiculous that people always assume foreign companies lie, cheat and steal, whereas homegrown companies are more kosher than a rabbi. The same thing happens in sport and politics of course. I guess humans just can't lose that tribal mentality.
  - x0x0 13y ago
    With the exception of Apple and Motorola, literally every single OEM we’ve worked with ships (or has shipped) at least one device that runs this silly CPU optimization. [1] http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-andr...
  - gibwell 13y ago
    At least you are in full agreement that lying and cheating are pervasive ethics at Samsung.
  - Avenger42 13y ago
    > deny product faults and quietly settle years later e.g. iPhone 4 Antenna Didn't they hold an entire press conference, invite everyone and say (essentially) "we don't think there's a problem; most phones have similar issues; to anyone complaining, we're offering free iPhone cases" ? That doesn't sound like "quietly settling" to me.
    - giovannibajo1 13y ago
      The very same iPhone 4 has been sold for 28 months, up until two weeks ago. I'm sure there are dozens of millions of users that can't make a phone call because of the antenna problem. I wonder why they don't complain.
  - jbp 13y ago
    Not at all, atleast about Samsung. I would go ahead say that Samsung is the most unethical[1] company. Wikipedia list is only tip of the iceberg, that company's history is littered with unethical[2] behavior. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung#Controversies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung#Controversies 2. http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/30/3709688/samsung-25-years-lee-kun-hee http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/30/3709688/samsung-25-years-...
tedsanders 13y ago
+Apple sued Samsung for violating Apple's patents. +Samsung said it needed some confidential documents from Apple for its legal defense. +The judge ordered that Apple must give the confidential documents to Samsung's lawyers, but that the lawyers couldn't share them +Samsung's lawyers shared the documents with the company +Now Samsung has illegally obtained knowledge of secret information that Apple and its partners had
- mullingitover 13y ago
  >+Now Samsung has illegally obtained knowledge of secret information that Apple and its partners had It sounds like it's their legal team who are at fault. Did Samsung break into the law offices and steal this information?
  - giovannibajo1 13y ago
    Unless you're suggesting that the law firm forced Samsung to read the documents by setting them a trap, both are legally responsible.
  - bsullivan01 13y ago
    Technically what you said is true, BUT still Samsung has Apple's confidential info, something that cannot be undone. Maybe Samsung and their lawyers exchanged a wink and a nod, maybe not. If I were king, I would revoke the right to practice law for at least 5 years for the attorneys involved, a $1 Billion or 50% of that yearly earnings fine for Samsung and a order not to use the info illegally obtained. The last one is maybe useless, but still, you never know, let them wonder if Apple might sue them. Samsung has to pay for what their legal team did, right or wrong. After all they hired and trust them with everything.
    - mullingitover 13y ago
      > If I were king, I would revoke the right to practice law for at least 5 years for the attorneys involved That's reasonable, I guess, I mean the law firm representing Samsung did screw up, I can understand punishing them. > a $1 Billion or 50% of that yearly earnings fine for Samsung Those pants...why are you putting them on your head? > Samsung has to pay for what their legal team did, right or wrong. After all they hired and trust them with everything. Yes, they hired a law firm. They have to pay the law firm the amount that the two parties agreed on. Now, the law firm screwed up. However, unless you have evidence of wrongdoing on Samsung's part, this is just foaming at the mouth crazy talk. If anything, Samsung was also wronged by their law firm by being put in this position.

by smtddr 13y ago

x0x0 13y ago

as part of the apple-samsung lawsuit, apple produced apparently incredibly business sensitive licensing agreements, some of which where with Nokia. In order to avoid samsung using this to their advantage/letting samsung go on a fishing expedition, the agreement was apple's documents would only go to apple's lawyers and samsung's external legal firm. Samsung's external lawyers had a duty to avoid giving this knowledge to their employers. Since lying and cheating are pervasive ethics at Samsung (see: recent benchmarking results), Samsung of course got their hands on a copy of this agreements in order to help negotiate negotiate their own deals with Nokia. Nokia told the court. Samsung and their firm and busy lying to the court and hiding. However, the court has subpoena powers. At minimum Samsung's external legal firm stands to be censured.

yapcguy 13y ago
> Since lying and cheating are pervasive ethics at Samsung (see: recent benchmarking results) Oh come on, this is silly. You don't think Apple manipulate benchmarks and statistics? Or deny product faults and quietly settle years later e.g. iPhone 4 Antenna? Or how about e-book price fixing?!! It's ridiculous that people always assume foreign companies lie, cheat and steal, whereas homegrown companies are more kosher than a rabbi. The same thing happens in sport and politics of course. I guess humans just can't lose that tribal mentality.
- x0x0 13y ago
  With the exception of Apple and Motorola, literally every single OEM we’ve worked with ships (or has shipped) at least one device that runs this silly CPU optimization. [1] http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-andr...
- gibwell 13y ago
  At least you are in full agreement that lying and cheating are pervasive ethics at Samsung.
- Avenger42 13y ago
  > deny product faults and quietly settle years later e.g. iPhone 4 Antenna Didn't they hold an entire press conference, invite everyone and say (essentially) "we don't think there's a problem; most phones have similar issues; to anyone complaining, we're offering free iPhone cases" ? That doesn't sound like "quietly settling" to me.
  - giovannibajo1 13y ago
    The very same iPhone 4 has been sold for 28 months, up until two weeks ago. I'm sure there are dozens of millions of users that can't make a phone call because of the antenna problem. I wonder why they don't complain.
- jbp 13y ago
  Not at all, atleast about Samsung. I would go ahead say that Samsung is the most unethical[1] company. Wikipedia list is only tip of the iceberg, that company's history is littered with unethical[2] behavior. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung#Controversies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung#Controversies 2. http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/30/3709688/samsung-25-years-lee-kun-hee http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/30/3709688/samsung-25-years-...

tedsanders 13y ago

+Apple sued Samsung for violating Apple's patents. +Samsung said it needed some confidential documents from Apple for its legal defense. +The judge ordered that Apple must give the confidential documents to Samsung's lawyers, but that the lawyers couldn't share them +Samsung's lawyers shared the documents with the company +Now Samsung has illegally obtained knowledge of secret information that Apple and its partners had

mullingitover 13y ago
>+Now Samsung has illegally obtained knowledge of secret information that Apple and its partners had It sounds like it's their legal team who are at fault. Did Samsung break into the law offices and steal this information?
- giovannibajo1 13y ago
  Unless you're suggesting that the law firm forced Samsung to read the documents by setting them a trap, both are legally responsible.
- bsullivan01 13y ago
  Technically what you said is true, BUT still Samsung has Apple's confidential info, something that cannot be undone. Maybe Samsung and their lawyers exchanged a wink and a nod, maybe not. If I were king, I would revoke the right to practice law for at least 5 years for the attorneys involved, a $1 Billion or 50% of that yearly earnings fine for Samsung and a order not to use the info illegally obtained. The last one is maybe useless, but still, you never know, let them wonder if Apple might sue them. Samsung has to pay for what their legal team did, right or wrong. After all they hired and trust them with everything.
  - mullingitover 13y ago
    > If I were king, I would revoke the right to practice law for at least 5 years for the attorneys involved That's reasonable, I guess, I mean the law firm representing Samsung did screw up, I can understand punishing them. > a $1 Billion or 50% of that yearly earnings fine for Samsung Those pants...why are you putting them on your head? > Samsung has to pay for what their legal team did, right or wrong. After all they hired and trust them with everything. Yes, they hired a law firm. They have to pay the law firm the amount that the two parties agreed on. Now, the law firm screwed up. However, unless you have evidence of wrongdoing on Samsung's part, this is just foaming at the mouth crazy talk. If anything, Samsung was also wronged by their law firm by being put in this position.