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I would like to argue the C language argument here. If I want to shoot myself in the foot, the language should let me. If I want to paint the Mona Lisa, the lan

I would like to argue the C language argument here. If I want to shoot myself in the foot, the language should let me. If I want to paint the Mona Lisa, the language should let me. PHP does that.

mahmud 17y ago
PHP will let you paint the Mona Lisa at favicon resolution.
- mixmax 17y ago
  and any other resolution you might choose.
- abyssknight 17y ago
  Fine. I call you on this. Full size: http://williamriggins.com/mona.php?x=400&y=571 http://williamriggins.com/mona.php?x=400&y=571 Favicon Size: http://williamriggins.com/mona.php?x=10&y=10 http://williamriggins.com/mona.php?x=10&y=10 Code (minus base64'd image constant): http://pastie.org/506643 http://pastie.org/506643
  - jrockway 17y ago
    I think you missed the metaphor.
jrockway 17y ago
Features that PHP is missing and would be very difficult to implement in use code include continuations, lexical closures, macros, a sane type system, multimethods, a metaobject protocol, and many others. Why confine yourself to the tools of a 1950s-era programmer when it's 2009? (PHP isn't even very good at "web stuff", although the frameworks try to improve this situation.)
- BerislavLopac 17y ago
  I'm not sure what you mean by Web stuff, but here's a couple things I like about PHP: 1. When I want to do a quick Web page with no effort to last -- just to test something or prov a concept or something -- all I have to do is put together one or two PHP files and it's up. Even then I follow all the good programming practices: separation of business and presentation code, proper classes etc, and PHP let's me do that just fine. 2. If I properly organize my code (which I usually do) all I need to move a site from one location to another is simply copy a single directory. This even includes smaller SQL based sites since PHP5 has built-in support for SQLite. And it works on virtually any hosting available today. Granted, these features are not really a compensation for all PHP's failures (don't ge me started), but there are times when those particular advantages outweigh anything else.
rbanffy 17y ago
If you want to paint using crayons, that would be correct.

I would like to argue the C language argument here. If I want to shoot myself in the foot, the language should let me. If I want to paint the Mona Lisa, the language should let me. PHP does that.

mahmud 17y ago

PHP will let you paint the Mona Lisa at favicon resolution.

mixmax 17y ago
and any other resolution you might choose.
abyssknight 17y ago
Fine. I call you on this. Full size: http://williamriggins.com/mona.php?x=400&y=571 http://williamriggins.com/mona.php?x=400&y=571 Favicon Size: http://williamriggins.com/mona.php?x=10&y=10 http://williamriggins.com/mona.php?x=10&y=10 Code (minus base64'd image constant): http://pastie.org/506643 http://pastie.org/506643
- jrockway 17y ago
  I think you missed the metaphor.

jrockway 17y ago

Features that PHP is missing and would be very difficult to implement in use code include continuations, lexical closures, macros, a sane type system, multimethods, a metaobject protocol, and many others. Why confine yourself to the tools of a 1950s-era programmer when it's 2009? (PHP isn't even very good at "web stuff", although the frameworks try to improve this situation.)

BerislavLopac 17y ago
I'm not sure what you mean by Web stuff, but here's a couple things I like about PHP: 1. When I want to do a quick Web page with no effort to last -- just to test something or prov a concept or something -- all I have to do is put together one or two PHP files and it's up. Even then I follow all the good programming practices: separation of business and presentation code, proper classes etc, and PHP let's me do that just fine. 2. If I properly organize my code (which I usually do) all I need to move a site from one location to another is simply copy a single directory. This even includes smaller SQL based sites since PHP5 has built-in support for SQLite. And it works on virtually any hosting available today. Granted, these features are not really a compensation for all PHP's failures (don't ge me started), but there are times when those particular advantages outweigh anything else.

rbanffy 17y ago

If you want to paint using crayons, that would be correct.