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Is there some evidence that vindicates Julian Assange that I'm unaware of? If not, how do you know the accusations aren't valid?
by Pinatubo 13y ago
Is there some evidence that vindicates Julian Assange that I'm unaware of? If not, how do you know the accusations aren't valid?
- ok_craig 13y agoIs there some evidence that says that god is not real? That's not really a great argument... the burden of proof is on the person claiming it.
- sliverstorm 13y agothe burden of proof is on the person claiming it. And where might they present their proof? Perhaps in court, in a trial? Like the sort of trial they tried to have, before Assange fled, preventing a trial?
- ok_craig 13y agoThat someone evaded having evidence be brought against them does not qualify as evidence having been brought against them.
- sliverstorm 13y agoSure, but by the same token you can't claim the lack of a guilty conviction is evidence he's innocent, when he will not stand trial.
- ok_craig 13y agoNever did. But my point is that evidence of innocence should only be necessary as a counter to evidence of guilt, and if there is no evidence of guilt, one should be considered innocent, at least legaly, even without evidence of innocence. That's the principle of "innocent until proven guilty."
- DanBC 13y agopatrickg_zill is making a claim - that the rape accusations are to discredit Assange.
- betenoire 13y agoUntil proven, they are just accusations, aren't they? His "claim" is regarding motives for the accusations, which really isn't the same thing, is it?
- ok_craig 13y agoThat's kind of sidestepping my point. He said two things: 1) There was a rape accusation 2) The accusation was made to discredit Assange My statement that "the burden of proof is on the person claiming it" is relevant to both parts individually. Neither the rape accusation or the discredit argument have been proved, therefore judgment should be withheld on both. Just because the second is a claim that hasn't been proven, doesn't mean the first is true.
- mortehu 13y agoSo do you, or do you not, believe that there was a rape accusation?
- ok_craig 13y agoYes there was an accusation, and I don't understand your point in asking. Edit: getting pedantic with this but oh well. I guess the language "doesn't mean the first is true" was ambiguous. I did not mean to say that #2 being a claim that hasn't been proven meant that #1 may or may not have happened in the first place, I meant to say that #2 being a claim that hasn't been proved does not mean that the accusation itself, which truly was made, was true.
- DanBC 13y agoI think we agree! Of course Assange is innocent until proven guilty. I find it very annoying when people say the rape accusation is fabricated to smear Assange.
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