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There was a time when the trade-off was: 1. The government lied and pretends not to engage in domestic espionage. 2. To support that lie, the government didn'
by CurtMonash 13y ago
There was a time when the trade-off was:
1. The government lied and pretends not to engage in domestic espionage.
2. To support that lie, the government didn't do much bad stuff with the results of its domestic spying.
3. Thus, the domestic spying wasn't a big deal.
I think we're past that point now.
- jamesaguilar 13y agoWhat bad stuff has the government done with the current batch of domestic spying?
- drjesusphd 13y agoSecretly and unconstitutionally feeding evidence to local law enforcement for petty crimes. Blackmailing judges and politicians. Giving (selling?) information about US citizens to foreign countries. Spying on significant others. Industrial espionage. That's just what we've heard about.
- knowaveragejoe 13y agoAside from the first one, is there any hard evidence of these? "Industrial Espionage" != spying on foreign companies with no commercial benefit, for example.
- kansface 13y agoIndividuals are also a problem: see things like spying on girlfriends and blackmail.
- 001sky 13y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
- polymatter 13y ago= falsify evidence against individuals in specific cases to hide their methods of obtaining the real evidence.
- drjesusphd 13y agoWait, actual falsification? Do you have a source for that? I always thought it was the NSA telling local cops "go bark up that tree", and they make a series of "lucky guesses" that lead to an otherwise legitimate arrest and prosectution.
- CurtMonash 13y agoFirst of all, the secrecy pretense has been blown. As for the rest -- it's hard to prove what secret sources the government used to motivate which actions. But as one example: Being on the No-Fly List is pretty bad, and a lot of people are on it.
- lukifer 13y agoI agree with your core premise, but #2 is distributed extremely unevenly.