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Street View arrives at CERN

37 points by jankeromnes 13y ago

Create 13y ago
"How should we make it attractive for them [young people] to spend 5,6,7 years in our field, be satisfied, learn about excitement, but finally be qualified to find other possibilities?" -- H. Schopper The numbers make the problem clear. In 2007, the year before CERN first powered up the LHC, the lab produced 142 master's and Ph.D. theses, according to the lab's document server. Last year it produced 327. (Fermilab chipped in 54.) That abundance seems unlikely to vanish anytime soon, as last year ATLAS had 1000 grad students and CMS had 900. In contrast, the INSPIRE Web site, a database for particle physics, currently lists 124 postdocs worldwide in experimental high-energy physics, the sort of work LHC grads have trained for. The situation is equally difficult for postdocs trying to make the jump to a junior faculty position or a permanent job at a national lab. The Snowmass Young Physicists survey received responses from 956 early-career researchers, including 343 postdocs. But INSPIRE currently lists just 152 "junior" positions, including 61 in North America. And the supply of jobs isn't likely to increase, says John Finley, an astrophysicist at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana, who is leading a search to replace two senior particle physicists. "For the most part, I don't think departments are looking to grow their particle physics programs," he says. http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2013_08_29/caredit.a1300185 http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previou... Despite earlier assurances that it had been deleted, Google still had in its possesion payload data collected by its Street View cars' Wi-Fi systems http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Google-must-delete-last-of-UK-Street-View-data-1894652.html http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Google-must-delet...
guard-of-terra 13y ago
Meanwhile that's how data gets processed: http://company.yandex.com/press_center/blog/entry.xml?pid=6 http://company.yandex.com/press_center/blog/entry.xml?pid=6 "One of the four big experiments at the world’s largest and most powerful particle accelerator, the Large Hadron Collider, is now testing Yandex’s machine learning technology, MatrixNet, on their data on B-meson decay."
- Create 13y ago
  just for the record and to please the prospective downvoting mob, here is a warning to any non-westerner members: "The cost [...] has been evaluated, taking into account realistic labor prices in different countries. The total cost is X (with a western equivalent value of Y) [where Y>X] source: LHCb calorimeters : Technical Design Report ISBN: 9290831693 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264
  - magicalist 13y ago
    What in the world is going on in this thread?
  - guard-of-terra 13y ago
    I don't know where you're getting at (this PDF isn't search-friendly) but computer-savvy labor in Moscow is as expensive as you can find in all the other world (NY and SF excluded).
elyase 13y ago
WoW, spam is getting really subtle, at least for "non-westerner members".
- Create 13y ago
  "The best defense against propaganda: more propaganda." -- Edward Bernays (November 22, 1891 – March 9, 1995) was an Austrian-born American publicist, sometimes called "the father of public relations" Quoted in L. Tye The Father of Spin (1998) p. 102 Journalistic theory generally holds that news items should be objective, giving the reader an accurate background and analysis of the subject at hand. On the other hand, advertisements evolved from the traditional commercial advertisements to include also a new type in the form of paid articles or broadcasts disguised as news. These generally present an issue in a very subjective and often misleading light, primarily meant to persuade rather than inform. Normally they use only subtle propaganda techniques and not the more obvious ones used in traditional commercial advertisements. If the reader believes that a paid advertisement is in fact a news item, the message the advertiser is trying to communicate will be more easily "believed" or "internalized".
_mn 13y ago
Like I need another reason to just say home.
the_french 13y ago
To better understand the scale of the detectors, look at this picture of ATLAS: https://www.google.com/maps/views/view/streetview/cern/cern-atlas/kWZ2TA53b9AAAAQJODkDDg?gl=us&heading=170&pitch=105&fovy=75 https://www.google.com/maps/views/view/streetview/cern/cern-... . There's a _crane_ reaching up to the beamline which is ~1/2 of the size of the cavity the detector is in.
- jankeromnes 13y ago
  The stairs and their levels also make me a bit dizzy.

37 points by jankeromnes 13y ago

"How should we make it attractive for them [young people] to spend 5,6,7 years in our field, be satisfied, learn about excitement, but finally be qualified to find other possibilities?" -- H. Schopper The numbers make the problem clear. In 2007, the year before CERN first powered up the LHC, the lab produced 142 master's and Ph.D. theses, according to the lab's document server. Last year it produced 327. (Fermilab chipped in 54.) That abundance seems unlikely to vanish anytime soon, as last year ATLAS had 1000 grad students and CMS had 900. In contrast, the INSPIRE Web site, a database for particle physics, currently lists 124 postdocs worldwide in experimental high-energy physics, the sort of work LHC grads have trained for. The situation is equally difficult for postdocs trying to make the jump to a junior faculty position or a permanent job at a national lab. The Snowmass Young Physicists survey received responses from 956 early-career researchers, including 343 postdocs. But INSPIRE currently lists just 152 "junior" positions, including 61 in North America. And the supply of jobs isn't likely to increase, says John Finley, an astrophysicist at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana, who is leading a search to replace two senior particle physicists. "For the most part, I don't think departments are looking to grow their particle physics programs," he says. http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2013_08_29/caredit.a1300185 http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previou... Despite earlier assurances that it had been deleted, Google still had in its possesion payload data collected by its Street View cars' Wi-Fi systems http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Google-must-delete-last-of-UK-Street-View-data-1894652.html http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Google-must-delet...

guard-of-terra 13y ago

Meanwhile that's how data gets processed: http://company.yandex.com/press_center/blog/entry.xml?pid=6 http://company.yandex.com/press_center/blog/entry.xml?pid=6 "One of the four big experiments at the world’s largest and most powerful particle accelerator, the Large Hadron Collider, is now testing Yandex’s machine learning technology, MatrixNet, on their data on B-meson decay."

Create 13y ago
just for the record and to please the prospective downvoting mob, here is a warning to any non-westerner members: "The cost [...] has been evaluated, taking into account realistic labor prices in different countries. The total cost is X (with a western equivalent value of Y) [where Y>X] source: LHCb calorimeters : Technical Design Report ISBN: 9290831693 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264
- magicalist 13y ago
  What in the world is going on in this thread?
- guard-of-terra 13y ago
  I don't know where you're getting at (this PDF isn't search-friendly) but computer-savvy labor in Moscow is as expensive as you can find in all the other world (NY and SF excluded).

elyase 13y ago

WoW, spam is getting really subtle, at least for "non-westerner members".

Create 13y ago
"The best defense against propaganda: more propaganda." -- Edward Bernays (November 22, 1891 – March 9, 1995) was an Austrian-born American publicist, sometimes called "the father of public relations" Quoted in L. Tye The Father of Spin (1998) p. 102 Journalistic theory generally holds that news items should be objective, giving the reader an accurate background and analysis of the subject at hand. On the other hand, advertisements evolved from the traditional commercial advertisements to include also a new type in the form of paid articles or broadcasts disguised as news. These generally present an issue in a very subjective and often misleading light, primarily meant to persuade rather than inform. Normally they use only subtle propaganda techniques and not the more obvious ones used in traditional commercial advertisements. If the reader believes that a paid advertisement is in fact a news item, the message the advertiser is trying to communicate will be more easily "believed" or "internalized".

_mn 13y ago

Like I need another reason to just say home.

the_french 13y ago

To better understand the scale of the detectors, look at this picture of ATLAS: https://www.google.com/maps/views/view/streetview/cern/cern-atlas/kWZ2TA53b9AAAAQJODkDDg?gl=us&heading=170&pitch=105&fovy=75 https://www.google.com/maps/views/view/streetview/cern/cern-... . There's a _crane_ reaching up to the beamline which is ~1/2 of the size of the cavity the detector is in.

jankeromnes 13y ago
The stairs and their levels also make me a bit dizzy.