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>I have no idea why I can't borrow an e-book from a shady .ru site on the internet if I want. Or a perfectly legit site in the .uk It's illegal, and if you're

>I have no idea why I can't borrow an e-book from a shady .ru site on the internet if I want. Or a perfectly legit site in the .uk It's illegal, and if you're caught you can be sued for millions of dollars. I'm no lawyer, but I think the maximum penalty for copyright violation is $150,000 per violation in the US. Even "borrowing" 10 books with your plan could land you with enough fines to wipe out your home (if you own one) and all your savings. It's one of those things where the chances of getting caught are small, but the consequences of getting caught are commensurately massive.

DavidBradbury 13y ago
And this is also an issue. The crime of downloading books you do not own and the $150,000 fine you've listed are so completely and ridiculously disproportionate that it is hard to take seriously.
ghshephard 13y ago
What people fail to note, is that the laws are against illegal distribution, not downloading. Are there any laws against illegal downloading? And, how is the average person supposed to know if Apple/Amazon/etc.. are legally allowed to distribute the content they are selling you?
VLM 13y ago
Perhaps for a .ru site. What about my example of a perfectly legit library in the .uk? Or better yet, because they probably alter pricing to fit the market, if I borrow a perfectly legal ebook from a perfectly legit library located in Kenya where the publishers only charge the local library a tiny amount of money because the locals are kinda poor. And the library sends me a perfectly legal and legitimate official library card because cost of a beer in .usa buys enough rice to feed the librarian's kid for a month. Note that its hardly illegal to borrow from a federated library or do an inter-library loan using p-books. Also lets confuse the issue. Lets say the shady .ru site is in fact a perfectly legal genuine gov't supported library, although "everyone knows" this branch specializes in inter-library xfers and loaning out ebooks to mostly foreigners. This is going to be a complete mess to enforce and is not illegal in any way. And realize any attempt to close this "loophole" is going to totally screw up foreign exchange students. Thats another excellent loophole, lets say I am now a official, govt sponsored and fully legally documented online student of the university of Elbonia, eligible for all manner of shared ebooks from the official perfectly legal and govt sponsored U. of Elbonia library. Also I'm unaware of any recent "headline grade" prosecutions for downloading. Uploading, sure. I'm not offering to loan my ebook copy of Red Storm Rising to someone in .ru, I'm borrowing his copy. He's the one violating a copyright, assuming he is in fact violating any copyright.

DavidBradbury 13y ago

And this is also an issue. The crime of downloading books you do not own and the $150,000 fine you've listed are so completely and ridiculously disproportionate that it is hard to take seriously.

ghshephard 13y ago

What people fail to note, is that the laws are against illegal distribution, not downloading. Are there any laws against illegal downloading? And, how is the average person supposed to know if Apple/Amazon/etc.. are legally allowed to distribute the content they are selling you?

VLM 13y ago

Perhaps for a .ru site. What about my example of a perfectly legit library in the .uk? Or better yet, because they probably alter pricing to fit the market, if I borrow a perfectly legal ebook from a perfectly legit library located in Kenya where the publishers only charge the local library a tiny amount of money because the locals are kinda poor. And the library sends me a perfectly legal and legitimate official library card because cost of a beer in .usa buys enough rice to feed the librarian's kid for a month. Note that its hardly illegal to borrow from a federated library or do an inter-library loan using p-books. Also lets confuse the issue. Lets say the shady .ru site is in fact a perfectly legal genuine gov't supported library, although "everyone knows" this branch specializes in inter-library xfers and loaning out ebooks to mostly foreigners. This is going to be a complete mess to enforce and is not illegal in any way. And realize any attempt to close this "loophole" is going to totally screw up foreign exchange students. Thats another excellent loophole, lets say I am now a official, govt sponsored and fully legally documented online student of the university of Elbonia, eligible for all manner of shared ebooks from the official perfectly legal and govt sponsored U. of Elbonia library. Also I'm unaware of any recent "headline grade" prosecutions for downloading. Uploading, sure. I'm not offering to loan my ebook copy of Red Storm Rising to someone in .ru, I'm borrowing his copy. He's the one violating a copyright, assuming he is in fact violating any copyright.