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> Wayland vs. Mir is going to be a massive headache for linux Not really. You know what other Linux doesn't ship Wayland, Mir, or X? Android. And the world ha

by jcastro 13y ago

> Wayland vs. Mir is going to be a massive headache for linux Not really. You know what other Linux doesn't ship Wayland, Mir, or X? Android. And the world hasn't exploded.

Pxtl 13y ago
Notice how few Linux OSS applications have been ported to Android. Where's LibreOffice for android? Inkscape? Blender? Audacity? GIMP? Thunderbird? Filezilla? Obviously in most of those cases a naive port of the GUI would only be useful for a large tablet with a keyboard and mouse attached. But still, the naive port would be better than nothing. The near-total lack of direct ports between Linux and Android (except for SDL-based games) should tell you that this does cause a problem.
- jcastro 13y ago
  I think you're lumping platforms with kernels, they're not interchangeable terms. "Linux" isn't a platform because no one has defined what "Linux" is supposed to be. Android and Ubuntu can be platforms because someone can say "An Android app does these things" and then point to an SDK. Ubuntu is doing the same thing. Anyone can take a Linux kernel and then build whatever userspace they want on top of it. Android existing hasn't hurt Linux, it's the dominant mobile OS and is bringing in hardware manufactures to work on the kernel. Sure user space apps are different as you point out, but that's what happens when you give people Lego blocks, not everyone is going to use the same blocks.
  - Pxtl 13y ago
    This is splitting hairs. The mainstream desktop Linux distros all run a similar stack of technology that provides a running environment for the major desktop OSS projects I listed. They all brand themselves as Linux. Yes, technically Linux is only the kernel, but being pedantic about it only muddies up the conversation. When somebody says "this computer runs Linux" they mean Gentoo/Fedora/Ubuntu/Whatever. Everybody knows I meant "mainstream desktop Linux distro software". Correcting that abbreviation adds nothing to the conversation.
- vidarh 13y ago
  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cuntubuntu https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cuntubuntu
misframer 13y ago
Apples and oranges.
Touche 13y ago
Yet no one else uses SurfaceFlinger because Google's no-patches and code-dump strategies makes it completely useless to any potential downstream project.
SCdF 13y ago
My apologies, I guess I needed to be more specific here: I meant desktop linux users. People who use Ubuntu, Arch, Debian etc. Clearly it's not going to matter for servers either, or raspberry pi, or routers, or... lots of things.

by jcastro 13y ago

> Wayland vs. Mir is going to be a massive headache for linux Not really. You know what other Linux doesn't ship Wayland, Mir, or X? Android. And the world hasn't exploded.

Pxtl 13y ago

Notice how few Linux OSS applications have been ported to Android. Where's LibreOffice for android? Inkscape? Blender? Audacity? GIMP? Thunderbird? Filezilla? Obviously in most of those cases a naive port of the GUI would only be useful for a large tablet with a keyboard and mouse attached. But still, the naive port would be better than nothing. The near-total lack of direct ports between Linux and Android (except for SDL-based games) should tell you that this does cause a problem.

jcastro 13y ago
I think you're lumping platforms with kernels, they're not interchangeable terms. "Linux" isn't a platform because no one has defined what "Linux" is supposed to be. Android and Ubuntu can be platforms because someone can say "An Android app does these things" and then point to an SDK. Ubuntu is doing the same thing. Anyone can take a Linux kernel and then build whatever userspace they want on top of it. Android existing hasn't hurt Linux, it's the dominant mobile OS and is bringing in hardware manufactures to work on the kernel. Sure user space apps are different as you point out, but that's what happens when you give people Lego blocks, not everyone is going to use the same blocks.
- Pxtl 13y ago
  This is splitting hairs. The mainstream desktop Linux distros all run a similar stack of technology that provides a running environment for the major desktop OSS projects I listed. They all brand themselves as Linux. Yes, technically Linux is only the kernel, but being pedantic about it only muddies up the conversation. When somebody says "this computer runs Linux" they mean Gentoo/Fedora/Ubuntu/Whatever. Everybody knows I meant "mainstream desktop Linux distro software". Correcting that abbreviation adds nothing to the conversation.
vidarh 13y ago
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cuntubuntu https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cuntubuntu

misframer 13y ago

Apples and oranges.

Touche 13y ago

Yet no one else uses SurfaceFlinger because Google's no-patches and code-dump strategies makes it completely useless to any potential downstream project.

SCdF 13y ago

My apologies, I guess I needed to be more specific here: I meant desktop linux users. People who use Ubuntu, Arch, Debian etc. Clearly it's not going to matter for servers either, or raspberry pi, or routers, or... lots of things.