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Excluding it from the desktop for one release is killing it. A big chunk of ubuntu's repository is now broken, resulting in a big "fuck you" from the users (inc

by spongle 13y ago

Excluding it from the desktop for one release is killing it. A big chunk of ubuntu's repository is now broken, resulting in a big "fuck you" from the users (including me) and no more donations... Even if they ship X and Mir, people will just use X.

vidarh 13y ago
> Excluding it from the desktop for one release is killing it. No, it is delaying it from being the default on Ubuntu by 6 months. > A big chunk of ubuntu's repository is now broken Really? How so? I have not noticed anything broken at all. How exactly is it broken? > resulting in a big "fuck you" from the users I really very much doubt most users will even notice, and I also think you severely overestimate how many of those who do notice will care, and how many of those who care who sees Mir as something negative and/or are bothered by the delay. > Even if they ship X and Mir, people will just use X. The point is they will eventually ship XMir, Mir and Mir-enabled toolkit versions by default, so everyone that don't take explicit steps to install a plain X server instead will be running Mir whether or not they run all their familiar apps - including X apps - on top of it.
forgottenpaswrd 13y ago
Please, calm down. Things are working OK. The world is not ending and Ubuntu repository is working just fine.
- spongle 13y ago
  For now. Watch what happens when Mir ships: 1. Noone will use Mir because xlib apps and non-ported toolkits will fail miserably. 2. It will not get tested properly. 3. Release+1 with XMir will be shipped and Mir will be turned on. 4. All hell will break loose. If it doesn't happen, I'll cook and eat my laptop. The only flag waving so far has been "shuttleworth installed it on his dell and it worked ok for a couple of weeks with some problems".
  - keithpeter 13y ago
    Canonical's target market is mobile devices. I suspect they will be testing a complete mobile stack. As mentioned above in this discussion, there are 4 example phones that already have functioning images. Shuttleworth probably knows how to keep his Dell working, and will possibly be sticking to LTS releases.
tolle 13y ago
It isn't "excluded". Just not enabled by default. I run Xmir on my laptop without any issues. Multi monitor support isn't there yet so my workstation still runs regular Xorg. The difference in user experience between the two is none.
- asveikau 13y ago
  > The difference in user experience between the two is none. Then why use Mir? ducks
  - ewzimm 13y ago
    On a laptop, using Xmir instead of X will save battery life with almost no performance loss.
    - asveikau 13y ago
      Measurements or it didn't happen.

by spongle 13y ago

vidarh 13y ago

> Excluding it from the desktop for one release is killing it. No, it is delaying it from being the default on Ubuntu by 6 months. > A big chunk of ubuntu's repository is now broken Really? How so? I have not noticed anything broken at all. How exactly is it broken? > resulting in a big "fuck you" from the users I really very much doubt most users will even notice, and I also think you severely overestimate how many of those who do notice will care, and how many of those who care who sees Mir as something negative and/or are bothered by the delay. > Even if they ship X and Mir, people will just use X. The point is they will eventually ship XMir, Mir and Mir-enabled toolkit versions by default, so everyone that don't take explicit steps to install a plain X server instead will be running Mir whether or not they run all their familiar apps - including X apps - on top of it.

forgottenpaswrd 13y ago

Please, calm down. Things are working OK. The world is not ending and Ubuntu repository is working just fine.

spongle 13y ago
For now. Watch what happens when Mir ships: 1. Noone will use Mir because xlib apps and non-ported toolkits will fail miserably. 2. It will not get tested properly. 3. Release+1 with XMir will be shipped and Mir will be turned on. 4. All hell will break loose. If it doesn't happen, I'll cook and eat my laptop. The only flag waving so far has been "shuttleworth installed it on his dell and it worked ok for a couple of weeks with some problems".
- keithpeter 13y ago
  Canonical's target market is mobile devices. I suspect they will be testing a complete mobile stack. As mentioned above in this discussion, there are 4 example phones that already have functioning images. Shuttleworth probably knows how to keep his Dell working, and will possibly be sticking to LTS releases.

tolle 13y ago

It isn't "excluded". Just not enabled by default. I run Xmir on my laptop without any issues. Multi monitor support isn't there yet so my workstation still runs regular Xorg. The difference in user experience between the two is none.

asveikau 13y ago
> The difference in user experience between the two is none. Then why use Mir? ducks
- ewzimm 13y ago
  On a laptop, using Xmir instead of X will save battery life with almost no performance loss.
  - asveikau 13y ago
    Measurements or it didn't happen.