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Aliens are advanced and have cloacking ability, the only proof we have are stories from abductee hypnosis sessions. Professor Jacobs http://en.wikipedia.org/wi

by givan 13y ago

Aliens are advanced and have cloacking ability, the only proof we have are stories from abductee hypnosis sessions. Professor Jacobs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Jacobs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Jacobs has researched the subject scientifically for decades.

krapp 13y ago
>the only proof we have are stories from abductee hypnosis sessions. That isn't proof of anything.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  Seriously. If we were to accept that sort of bullshit nonsense as evidence then we would also have "evidence" for widespread organized "Satanic ritual abuse" in the 1980's, devils which sit on the chests of sleeping people, ghosts and/or spirits of the dead, aliens riding DC-8's exploding hydrogen bombs in volcanoes...
- givan 13y ago
  I agree that even if millions claim that have been abducted this is not solid proof but I think that the main reason for the lack of solid proofs is the impact of such proofs on the human society. Also this is subject is very taboo, most people reject the subject immediately as ridiculous and compare it to fairies and ghosts. Maybe they are afraid, closed minded or really belive we are alone in this vast universe.
  - krapp 13y ago
    >Maybe they are afraid, closed minded or really belive we are alone in this vast universe. You're asserting false dichotomies. The universe may be teeming with life, but that still wouldn't lend any credence to the scenario of alien abduction. You don't have to be afraid or close-minded to doubt it, you just have to be rational. It isn't proof, simply because it's entirely subjective. It exists inside people's minds.
    - givan 13y ago
      >Maybe they are afraid, closed minded or really belive we are alone in this vast universe I was trying to find an explanation for the immediate rejection of the subject as silly. > It exists inside people's minds. The strange thing is that millions have the same thing in their minds, could this be a collective mental illness? but why do all of them report the same things and have the same details? If you read Jacobs reports you will see that many people that never met experienced similar events, how can this be explained? You could at least see read some of the reports or see some of the "non" evidence before rejecting it as silly.
      - jlgreco 13y ago
        > "I was trying to find an explanation for the immediate rejection of the subject as silly." "Space is big", "boy who cried wolf", or a combination of both.
        givan 13y ago
        So you reject the posibility with the argument that the space is big? the vastness of space says nothing about life density or travel capabilities of advanced civilations also we know so little about the structure of the universe. But I don't understand the ridicule and lack of arguments, I fell like I'm in 1400 saying that the earth is round. Also why the hate and downvotes?
        jlgreco 13y ago
        I am saying people scoff at the idea because space is big. Come back with actual evidence and the off the cuff dismissal will stop. (though even then, expect some resistance since UFOists have been crying wolf so often)
        givan 13y ago
        The funny thing is that I say the same things to a religious friend, how can you belive in all those stories without proof? I don't think we can compare the two but they are very similar from this point of view, lack of evidence. It's true that there is no real public evidence, no flesh and bone alien or goverment confirmation but I think the main difference from religion is that there are all kind of information bits that seem to support it, the sexual experiments on abductees and very similar details they provide in their stories still don't have any other explanation to disprove it, just read Jacobs reports or see his video presentations, remember that he has a Ph.D and years of research on this so you can't compare him to a conspiracy nut on the internet. Also there is the impact on society of such discovery, the world would literally panic, most people will interpret this in all kind of apocaliptic ways. So the most credible argument on the lack of evidence is that human society is not ready to accept the fact that they are not alone, people rejected throughout history the ideea that they are not the center of the universe so this will be very hard to accept.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    > or really belive we are alone in this vast universe. ...or understand that space is big. Really big.
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by givan 13y ago

krapp 13y ago

>the only proof we have are stories from abductee hypnosis sessions. That isn't proof of anything.

jlgreco 13y ago
Seriously. If we were to accept that sort of bullshit nonsense as evidence then we would also have "evidence" for widespread organized "Satanic ritual abuse" in the 1980's, devils which sit on the chests of sleeping people, ghosts and/or spirits of the dead, aliens riding DC-8's exploding hydrogen bombs in volcanoes...
givan 13y ago
I agree that even if millions claim that have been abducted this is not solid proof but I think that the main reason for the lack of solid proofs is the impact of such proofs on the human society. Also this is subject is very taboo, most people reject the subject immediately as ridiculous and compare it to fairies and ghosts. Maybe they are afraid, closed minded or really belive we are alone in this vast universe.
- krapp 13y ago
  >Maybe they are afraid, closed minded or really belive we are alone in this vast universe. You're asserting false dichotomies. The universe may be teeming with life, but that still wouldn't lend any credence to the scenario of alien abduction. You don't have to be afraid or close-minded to doubt it, you just have to be rational. It isn't proof, simply because it's entirely subjective. It exists inside people's minds.
  - givan 13y ago
    >Maybe they are afraid, closed minded or really belive we are alone in this vast universe I was trying to find an explanation for the immediate rejection of the subject as silly. > It exists inside people's minds. The strange thing is that millions have the same thing in their minds, could this be a collective mental illness? but why do all of them report the same things and have the same details? If you read Jacobs reports you will see that many people that never met experienced similar events, how can this be explained? You could at least see read some of the reports or see some of the "non" evidence before rejecting it as silly.
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      > "I was trying to find an explanation for the immediate rejection of the subject as silly." "Space is big", "boy who cried wolf", or a combination of both.
      - givan 13y ago
        So you reject the posibility with the argument that the space is big? the vastness of space says nothing about life density or travel capabilities of advanced civilations also we know so little about the structure of the universe. But I don't understand the ridicule and lack of arguments, I fell like I'm in 1400 saying that the earth is round. Also why the hate and downvotes?
        jlgreco 13y ago
        I am saying people scoff at the idea because space is big. Come back with actual evidence and the off the cuff dismissal will stop. (though even then, expect some resistance since UFOists have been crying wolf so often)
        givan 13y ago
        The funny thing is that I say the same things to a religious friend, how can you belive in all those stories without proof? I don't think we can compare the two but they are very similar from this point of view, lack of evidence. It's true that there is no real public evidence, no flesh and bone alien or goverment confirmation but I think the main difference from religion is that there are all kind of information bits that seem to support it, the sexual experiments on abductees and very similar details they provide in their stories still don't have any other explanation to disprove it, just read Jacobs reports or see his video presentations, remember that he has a Ph.D and years of research on this so you can't compare him to a conspiracy nut on the internet. Also there is the impact on society of such discovery, the world would literally panic, most people will interpret this in all kind of apocaliptic ways. So the most credible argument on the lack of evidence is that human society is not ready to accept the fact that they are not alone, people rejected throughout history the ideea that they are not the center of the universe so this will be very hard to accept.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  > or really belive we are alone in this vast universe. ...or understand that space is big. Really big.
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