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most people don't really think logically or quantitatively. whatever math people learned in high school and college was forgotten when trying to make adult dec
by mrcactu5 13y ago
most people don't really think logically or quantitatively. whatever math people learned in high school and college was forgotten when trying to make adult decisions. and they didn't even get to the good stuff.
data science is successful now because they are applying quantitative methods to the social sciences -- problems most people think about. the average educated person can understand by using the magic of "machine learning" we can solve problems in politics, health, social issues, etc.
Nate Silver's lack of a math background works to his advantage. he realizes the bar for quantitative understanding in the public sphere is very low. whatever little bit he does, he has to explain to a room full of drunk people in 30 seconds or less. he is very good at this.
neither employers nor the public want to admit that at the end of the day SOMEONE has to be responsible for these calculations. i have a master's degree in math -- which nobody gave a hoot about (see item 5 in this article http://gigaom.com/2013/04/16/how-to-hire-data-scientists-and-get-hired-as-one/ http://gigaom.com/2013/04/16/how-to-hire-data-scientists-and... ) we weren't taught how to communicate our ideas and results to the public -- in fact we were discouraged from it. that is difficult to unlearn.
i've heard of attempts to "democratize" machine learning.
http://blog.bigml.com/2013/03/06/democratizing-machine-learning-with-c/ http://blog.bigml.com/2013/03/06/democratizing-machine-learn...
articles like these are usually written by companies with a product or book to sell or distribute. what needs to be democratized is engineering based problem solving - using the powerful computers we hold in our pockets, our phones.
- slurry 13y agoNate Silver's lack of a math background? Why does this keep getting repeated. He has a BA in economics from one of the most quantitative and rigorous programs in the country, plus some work at LSE. I'm sure he has more formal math and statistics education than most self-labeled "engineers" on HN.
- geebee 13y agoHere's a link to the university of chicago's econ major requirements. http://collegecatalog.uchicago.edu/thecollege/economics/#programofstudy http://collegecatalog.uchicago.edu/thecollege/economics/#pro... Looks fairly rigorous. Can't say for sure, but it does appear that while you are encouraged to take the most rigorous calc sequence (typically required of math, hard science, engineering majors), econ majors are allowed to take an easier calculus track. That's pretty typical of econ undergraduate degrees - many universities do provide a slower, easier calculus track for certain majors (typically life science majors or social science majors). I have no idea what track Nate Silver took, and of course I can't speak to the "self-labeled" engineer. I'd agree that an econ from a reputable school has some mathematical rigor, but not quite at the level required of a typical math, hard science, or engineering major. Either way, I would agree with you that it is silly to say Nate Silver doesn't have a math background - clearly he does.