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In my experience, pointing out the hysterical racism involved does contribute to the understanding of the situation by non-Americans. And you don't get to accus

In my experience, pointing out the hysterical racism involved does contribute to the understanding of the situation by non-Americans. And you don't get to accuse me of absurdities when the other side's motto is "Keep the government out of Medicare!". You just don't.

twoodfin 13y ago
I don't really know how to respond to this. No one in this discussion said "Keep the government out of Medicare". In fact, as far as I know, no one in the leadership of the Republican party has said it, either, so it would be an odd sort of "motto". But of course you know this. In contrast, you did ascribe vile racist motives to more or less half the country. Indeed, so racist they'd be willing to destroy the country to fulfill their base aims. All their professed arguments (about, say, the negative effect on hiring triggered by the ACA) are simply a smokescreen. We're lucky our international readership has you to fill them in on this fundamental truth of American politics. Is this article [dead] yet?
- nknighthb 13y ago
  We've heard all their professed arguments every time the minimum wage has gone up, or emissions standards have been tightened, or safety regulations have been increased. Same talking points every time the government does anything, always wrong. It's not even a smokescreen, it's transparent reflex. Meanwhile, Wal-Mart bumps 35,000 to full-time, and another 35,000 temps to permanent part-time. This besides the 55k seasonal they're about to add. So much negative effect on hiring!
  - twoodfin 13y ago
    We've heard all their professed arguments every time the minimum wage has gone up, or emissions standards have been tightened, or safety regulations have been increased. Same talking points every time the government does anything, always wrong. It's not even a smokescreen, it's transparent reflex. And it was always racism? I don't think you're being consistent.
    - nknighthb 13y ago
      We know it's racism this time because they keep accidentally telling the truth. Reflexive use of existing talking points is not tied to motivation behind opposition. By the way, you also don't get to accuse me of being inconsistent when you're the one engaging in debates on HN that you argue shouldn't be here. You're a hypocrite, the most disgusting, loathsome of sub-humans.
      - twoodfin 13y ago
        Ha! And it's the right that's accused of "epistemic closure"! I'm sorry it bothers you I'm having a little fun while hn slides into Eternal September. But I'm old enough to remember these same arguments 17 years ago, and believe you me, Republicans were still obstructionist jerks when the whitest white guy who ever played a saxophone was president. It's somewhat amusing. Presumably you were not a fan of the last president's Manichean streak. Yet here you are, describing the folks your neighbors vote for in stark, black-and-white terms.
        nknighthb 13y ago
        > I'm having a little fun These are peoples lives, you incredible jackass. Including the lives of my family. How much more inhuman can you possibly get? > I'm old enough to remember these same arguments 17 years ago So am I. I also know that the current law was their counterproposal 17 years ago. But now it's the end of the world. > describing the folks your neighbors vote for in stark, black-and-white terms I live in rural Washington. My neighbors are every bit the insane bigots they vote for.

twoodfin 13y ago

I don't really know how to respond to this. No one in this discussion said "Keep the government out of Medicare". In fact, as far as I know, no one in the leadership of the Republican party has said it, either, so it would be an odd sort of "motto". But of course you know this. In contrast, you did ascribe vile racist motives to more or less half the country. Indeed, so racist they'd be willing to destroy the country to fulfill their base aims. All their professed arguments (about, say, the negative effect on hiring triggered by the ACA) are simply a smokescreen. We're lucky our international readership has you to fill them in on this fundamental truth of American politics. Is this article [dead] yet?

nknighthb 13y ago
We've heard all their professed arguments every time the minimum wage has gone up, or emissions standards have been tightened, or safety regulations have been increased. Same talking points every time the government does anything, always wrong. It's not even a smokescreen, it's transparent reflex. Meanwhile, Wal-Mart bumps 35,000 to full-time, and another 35,000 temps to permanent part-time. This besides the 55k seasonal they're about to add. So much negative effect on hiring!
- twoodfin 13y ago
  We've heard all their professed arguments every time the minimum wage has gone up, or emissions standards have been tightened, or safety regulations have been increased. Same talking points every time the government does anything, always wrong. It's not even a smokescreen, it's transparent reflex. And it was always racism? I don't think you're being consistent.
  - nknighthb 13y ago
    We know it's racism this time because they keep accidentally telling the truth. Reflexive use of existing talking points is not tied to motivation behind opposition. By the way, you also don't get to accuse me of being inconsistent when you're the one engaging in debates on HN that you argue shouldn't be here. You're a hypocrite, the most disgusting, loathsome of sub-humans.
    - twoodfin 13y ago
      Ha! And it's the right that's accused of "epistemic closure"! I'm sorry it bothers you I'm having a little fun while hn slides into Eternal September. But I'm old enough to remember these same arguments 17 years ago, and believe you me, Republicans were still obstructionist jerks when the whitest white guy who ever played a saxophone was president. It's somewhat amusing. Presumably you were not a fan of the last president's Manichean streak. Yet here you are, describing the folks your neighbors vote for in stark, black-and-white terms.
      - nknighthb 13y ago
        > I'm having a little fun These are peoples lives, you incredible jackass. Including the lives of my family. How much more inhuman can you possibly get? > I'm old enough to remember these same arguments 17 years ago So am I. I also know that the current law was their counterproposal 17 years ago. But now it's the end of the world. > describing the folks your neighbors vote for in stark, black-and-white terms I live in rural Washington. My neighbors are every bit the insane bigots they vote for.