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PG please put a RFS for a crowd sourced security system for neighborhoods. Police forces are not scalable.

taybin 13y ago
Yeah, let's disrupt this with private security forces! When I think of what I want the future to look like, it's private security forces for the wealthy.
- robbiet480 13y ago
  https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/security-patrol-for-lower-rockridge-northwest/description https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/security-patrol-for-lowe...
  - taybin 13y ago
    Ugh. Let's privatize the fire departments next.
    - rdl 13y ago
      Private and volunteer fire departments actually work really well, but that's mainly because people genuinely want to be firefighters -- it's a fairly unambiguously good thing, everyone is always happier when they show up, and they tend to get more women than virtually any other blue-collar profession (a stereotype, but from interacting with FD people, it's pretty much borne out by experience.) It doesn't work as well in big cities, and doesn't work in a place like SF because SFFD also does all the EMS calls (which tend to suck, and require much more hours of actual work, training, etc.). A rural or suburban volunteer or private fire department is fine, much more so than privatizing police forces.
      - taybin 13y ago
        In NYC, they had to take over the private fire departments since multiple ones would show up and fight each other over who had the right to get the money from fighting the fire. It was a mess.
- malyk 13y ago
  While I completely agree that this problem is the responsibility of the government you have to understand the frustration of the people whose houses are being broken in to on a regular basis. Ok, not the same house (usually), but the same neighborhoods over and over and over, week after week. My neighborhood is considering hiring private security. The initial estimate is $15 a household per month given N neighbors sign up. I forget what N is, but it wasn't that many. So yes, it would be a real monetary sacrifice to a lot of the residents around me, but the alternative, given that the police can't really help right now, is to be at a very high risk of being burglarized with basically no chance of the perpetrators being caught. Sometimes you have to take things into your own hands. I think oakland is making strides to hire and train more officers, but that's going to take a few years to get back to the 2010 level and we probably need more officers than we had then. Until then...what do we do? Keep getting robbed/burgled?
  - potatolicious 13y ago
    I can't speak for OP, but my feeling from his tone is frustration that the failings of government, and the subsequent privatization of key services is frequently treated by the Valley as some kind of disruptive innovation, rather than a pyrrhic victory. Take Uber for example - Uber only exists due to the complete failure of SF's public transportation network, as well as its horrifyingly corrupt taxi industry. The fact that it exists may be necessary, but it is indicative of a malaise, not a leap forward. I personally find it very annoying at how self-congratulatory our industry is on these matters. A private police force is nothing to celebrate, it's cause for sober reflection on just how badly we've completely fucked up to even make it necessary.
    - malyk 13y ago
      I hear that, for sure. Oakland has a serious problem with burglaries/robberies. The police force is understaffed and, while oakland is finally trying to add more officers, it's going to take years to get back to a level of staffing that is sufficient to fight crime in the city. What is the alternative here? And my neighborhood is one of the poorest in the bay area. If you look at richblockspoorblocks.com for oakland north of 580 and west of 24. Those are some of the neighborhoods that are looking to hire private security (among others). My census tract (4007) has a median household income of $38,646!!! These aren't "rich" people that want to hire security to protect their gated community (:cough: piedmont :cough:). These are working class neighborhoods fed up with the crime rate and powerless to speed the process of growing the policing power of the city of oakland. The only thing they can do with any speed is hire someone to help out.

Yeah, let's disrupt this with private security forces! When I think of what I want the future to look like, it's private security forces for the wealthy.

robbiet480 13y ago
https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/security-patrol-for-lower-rockridge-northwest/description https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/security-patrol-for-lowe...
- taybin 13y ago
  Ugh. Let's privatize the fire departments next.
  - rdl 13y ago
    Private and volunteer fire departments actually work really well, but that's mainly because people genuinely want to be firefighters -- it's a fairly unambiguously good thing, everyone is always happier when they show up, and they tend to get more women than virtually any other blue-collar profession (a stereotype, but from interacting with FD people, it's pretty much borne out by experience.) It doesn't work as well in big cities, and doesn't work in a place like SF because SFFD also does all the EMS calls (which tend to suck, and require much more hours of actual work, training, etc.). A rural or suburban volunteer or private fire department is fine, much more so than privatizing police forces.
    - taybin 13y ago
      In NYC, they had to take over the private fire departments since multiple ones would show up and fight each other over who had the right to get the money from fighting the fire. It was a mess.
malyk 13y ago
While I completely agree that this problem is the responsibility of the government you have to understand the frustration of the people whose houses are being broken in to on a regular basis. Ok, not the same house (usually), but the same neighborhoods over and over and over, week after week. My neighborhood is considering hiring private security. The initial estimate is $15 a household per month given N neighbors sign up. I forget what N is, but it wasn't that many. So yes, it would be a real monetary sacrifice to a lot of the residents around me, but the alternative, given that the police can't really help right now, is to be at a very high risk of being burglarized with basically no chance of the perpetrators being caught. Sometimes you have to take things into your own hands. I think oakland is making strides to hire and train more officers, but that's going to take a few years to get back to the 2010 level and we probably need more officers than we had then. Until then...what do we do? Keep getting robbed/burgled?
- potatolicious 13y ago
  I can't speak for OP, but my feeling from his tone is frustration that the failings of government, and the subsequent privatization of key services is frequently treated by the Valley as some kind of disruptive innovation, rather than a pyrrhic victory. Take Uber for example - Uber only exists due to the complete failure of SF's public transportation network, as well as its horrifyingly corrupt taxi industry. The fact that it exists may be necessary, but it is indicative of a malaise, not a leap forward. I personally find it very annoying at how self-congratulatory our industry is on these matters. A private police force is nothing to celebrate, it's cause for sober reflection on just how badly we've completely fucked up to even make it necessary.
  - malyk 13y ago
    I hear that, for sure. Oakland has a serious problem with burglaries/robberies. The police force is understaffed and, while oakland is finally trying to add more officers, it's going to take years to get back to a level of staffing that is sufficient to fight crime in the city. What is the alternative here? And my neighborhood is one of the poorest in the bay area. If you look at richblockspoorblocks.com for oakland north of 580 and west of 24. Those are some of the neighborhoods that are looking to hire private security (among others). My census tract (4007) has a median household income of $38,646!!! These aren't "rich" people that want to hire security to protect their gated community (:cough: piedmont :cough:). These are working class neighborhoods fed up with the crime rate and powerless to speed the process of growing the policing power of the city of oakland. The only thing they can do with any speed is hire someone to help out.