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Killing someone and locking them up in a duffel bag in a hotel bathroom doesn't seem British governments style. Before claiming the victim was another Snowden/w
by jaxytee 13y ago
Killing someone and locking them up in a duffel bag in a hotel bathroom doesn't seem British governments style. Before claiming the victim was another Snowden/whistleblower, you might want to read this excerpt from the article:
"The source indicated that Williams' work to disrupt the Russian mafia could have put him at risk".
"Some of these powerful criminal networks have links with, and employ, former KGB agents who can track down people like Williams," the source said.
- ck2 13y agoHe also flew to the NSA headquarters a couple times a year. KGB vs NSA, which one is actually active and fully funded right now?
- bnegreve 13y agoWait, so what exactly is the British government style of killing people? If you assume the British government chooses to murder people, it also perfectly reasonable to assume that it does it using someone else style to cover its crime e.g. russian mafia style.
- atlantic 13y agoThe style of a security agency generally would be to make it look like either an accidental death (car crash) or a natural death (exotic virus), so as not to attract the attention of the police or the press. The mafia style, on the other hand, would be to make it clear that he had been executed, so as to send a threatening message to the appropriate circles.
- VargardObyron 13y agohe could be potential leak, they could do it this way so rest knows how leak will end for them. Easy and effective.
- Daniel_Newby 13y agoThe general practice is to leave known spies operating and use them for counterintelligence. No other explanation is consistent with the small number of prosecutions and premature deaths.
- snowwrestler 13y agoCounterintelligence is worthless if the plan is to leak to the public, rather than to the intelligence apparatus of another nation.
- jlgreco 13y agoI wonder if state apologists on Russian web forums say the same thing whenever Alexander Litvinenko is brought up. EDIT: To expand on this now that I'm not mobile: This notion of the "style" of security agencies might be what you get from Hollywood and spy novels, but you could only arrive upon this conclusion if you are selectively excluding examples from reality. Yeah, we know of the US's "heart attack gun", but we also know they are rather fond of "assassination via drone" and don't give a shit who knows it. The Russians tried to sneak the Georgi Markov assassination under the radar, but killed Alexander Litvinenko in one of the more flamboyant ways imaginable. Mossad tried to be sly with Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh, but they've blown other peoples' heads off with telephone bombs on more than one occasion. The conclusion that should be drawn from real-world examples of state assassinations should not be one that you find surprising: they do whatever they think will work best in any particular situation. That is their style.
- z999 13y agoActually, from the Mossad example, many of the more "known" Mossad deaths have been from bombs. So you can say that at least some spy agencies have a pattern.
- realo 13y agoHrrrumph. The British Way is subtle. They could have simply leaked info about the guy to the Russian Maffia and let them do their thing. It seems to have worked quite well.
- rmc 13y agoCar crash in a tunnel in Paris? ;)
- VargardObyron 13y agoWhat is British style ? Hiding body in teabag ? I think he wanted to leak and as MI6 don't let leaks he had to be eliminated.
- 1337biz 13y agoBut then again if there is enemy A and enemy B, and you are enemy A with half a brain, you probably do your very best to let all the signs point at enemy B.
- at-fates-hands 13y agoThe fatal flaw in this theory is: "MI6 did not report him missing, however, until 23 August, at which point his body had decomposed, thwarting attempts to determine the precise cause of death." His own spy agency failed to report him missing which is pretty suspicious all by itself. To me, this would indicate they're most likely involved. They also left out the fact the heat in the flat was turned up to speed decomposition and the reason the bag was in the bathtub was to make it easy for body fluids to drain. Lots more details which indicate a professional hit: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/blog/2013/01/04/gareth-williams-the-dead-spy-in-the-sports-bag/index.html http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/blog/2013/01/04/gareth-wi...
- mseebach 13y ago> To me, this would indicate they're most likely involved. Oh really? Of course, you're a career criminal investigator with a history of solving crimes committed and covered up by nefarious government entities? Christ, the completely unsubstantiated hyperbolic rush to conclusions in this thread is absolutely mind-numbing. Of course, that what a paid astroturfer for the government WOULD say, so I am probably one and can easily be ignored. Carry on.
- TheCraiggers 13y ago
- junto 13y agoI disagree. Making the victim look like some kind of pervert or loner would appear to be common occurrence for British citizens. Of course, all Brits might all be perverted loners! Nicholas Anderson, former MI6 officer turned author, told The Independent on Sunday: "I am on verbal record to my own family, close friends and select lawyers that if anything ever happened to me – a straight man and a positive thinker – it would likely be made to look either like a suicide or that I died dressed like a woman. "Over the years, it seems to me a favourite way of presentation. I, of course, am not suicidal in any remote way nor do I like to dress so. When I read in the press about Gareth Williams, women's clothes, and a wig, it all fits the usual scenario." N.B. The source of the above quote is not currently available: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/curious-case-of-a-lack-of-curiosity-over-missing-spy-7687539.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/curious-case-of-a... Other suspicious UK deaths: - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mi6-dirty-secrets-why-do-sex-games-819152 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mi6-dirty-secrets-why-d...: - In 1983, 25-year-old Stephen Drinkwater, who worked as a clerk at GCHQ, was found dead at his home with a plastic bag over his head. - In 1997 another worker, Nicholas Husband, 46, was found dead at home dressed in a bra and panties – with a plastic bag over his head. - Two years later, Kevin Allen, 31, a language expert at GCHQ, was found dead in his bed at home with a plastic bag over his head and a dust mask over his mouth. And a few more British perverts and loners: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Milligan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Milligan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mossman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mossman - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Moyle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Moyle - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rusbridger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rusbridger Plus a couple of other deaths that were linked to the state: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilda_Murrell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilda_Murrell - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly - Dr. Richard Holmes (Dr. David Kelly's co-worker) - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133201/Dr-Richard-Holmes-Suicide-riddle-weapons-expert-worked-David-Kelly.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133201/Dr-Richard-H... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_MacRae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_MacRae - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Mannakee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Mannakee - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindi_St_Clair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindi_St_Clair Apologies about the "source" but: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139799/Sex-spies-seven-suspicious-deaths-The-murky-waters-intelligence-world--coincidence-conspiracy.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139799/Sex-spies-se... In summary, many of these deaths were suspicious. None of them have been proved to be attributed to the British security services, but is interesting that the link (however tenuous) is there. Look at it another way. If you are the security services and you need to get rid of someone, making a murder look like a suicide is a good move. However, a suicide normally requires depression or some linked emotional trauma. Without that, the suicide is suspicious. If the suicide is linked to an accidental sexual game then the victim looks like a pervert, is shamed publicly and the "suicide" is much difficult to question. QED, murders through sexual misadventures are much easier to pass off than depressive suicides or straight up murders.
- oskarth 13y agoBecause Williams, having just uncovered key evidence against the evil Russian mafia at Black Hat and/or Harrods was, the only person in MI6 who could possibly stand a chance against the evil Russian mafia. At the very least acknowledge the possibility, instead of parroting whatever some anonymous source - who decided to surface two years after the fact, at a very strategic time at that - is saying.
- rdtsc 13y agoA murder can be used eliminate someone, but also to send a message. For it to be a message to others it has to be visible and it has to be obvious who did it without it actually holding up in court. The Litvinenko case comes to mind. He didn't "trip" down the stairs, the way he was killed made it clear who killed him and sent a message out.
- logical42 13y agoThe garden of forking paths comes to mind.