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No, I want you to acknowledge the gravity of the incident, by saying "oh I am really not surprised", you are in fact lying because you have no way to know for s

by pavs 13y ago

No, I want you to acknowledge the gravity of the incident, by saying "oh I am really not surprised", you are in fact lying because you have no way to know for sure the extend of the privacy infringement. You might have thought "I bet NSA is snooping my facebook activity" but thats not the same as saying "I know NSA is snooping on my FB to such and such extend."

Joeboy 13y ago
I do acknowledge the gravity of the situation, and have done for some time. I don't see what being surprised has to do with that. I don't see why (dishonestly, imo) characterising recent events as unpredictable is a useful message. And, I am not surprised. To say otherwise would be a lie.
sanderjd 13y ago
Finding out something for sure that was previously only suspected does not typically make someone surprised. In order to be surprised it is necessary to have not suspected the thing discovered. It seems very accurate (and in no way diminishing of the gravity of the situation) for people who suspected these things to say that they are unsurprised. You must be doing some pretty wild mental gymnastics to see it differently. Perhaps what you mean is that you don't think it is particularly useful for people to talk about how they aren't surprised, in which case I agree.
cinquemb 13y ago
Now that the NYT (who has been known to collude with intelligence agencies in the shaping of public opinion) has released something, we now know the full extent of privacy infringement and the world will magically turn into a better place… When NSA whistleblowers have been trying to do outreach to the public for years prior to the Snowden leaks[0], to be upset because some people want to take a pragmatic approach/perspective after witnessing an apathetic public for years at large, is pretty farcical IMO. At this point, I don't expect anything from congress nor many of my "friends" on social networks. If I want to be secure in my communications with them, I will/have taken the steps to do so through means discussed at length plenty of times on HN. If governments across the world want to go on witch hunts, they'll only get more of what has happened because of them: "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got". The way I see it, the point of no return was long ago… [0] http://techtv.mit.edu/embeds/21783?html5=true&size=medium&custom_width=432&player=simple&external_stylesheet= http://techtv.mit.edu/embeds/21783?html5=true&size=medium&cu...
wglb 13y ago
No, I want you to acknowledge the gravity of the incident So you will scold us till we agree with you?

by pavs 13y ago

Joeboy 13y ago

I do acknowledge the gravity of the situation, and have done for some time. I don't see what being surprised has to do with that. I don't see why (dishonestly, imo) characterising recent events as unpredictable is a useful message. And, I am not surprised. To say otherwise would be a lie.

sanderjd 13y ago

Finding out something for sure that was previously only suspected does not typically make someone surprised. In order to be surprised it is necessary to have not suspected the thing discovered. It seems very accurate (and in no way diminishing of the gravity of the situation) for people who suspected these things to say that they are unsurprised. You must be doing some pretty wild mental gymnastics to see it differently. Perhaps what you mean is that you don't think it is particularly useful for people to talk about how they aren't surprised, in which case I agree.

cinquemb 13y ago

Now that the NYT (who has been known to collude with intelligence agencies in the shaping of public opinion) has released something, we now know the full extent of privacy infringement and the world will magically turn into a better place… When NSA whistleblowers have been trying to do outreach to the public for years prior to the Snowden leaks[0], to be upset because some people want to take a pragmatic approach/perspective after witnessing an apathetic public for years at large, is pretty farcical IMO. At this point, I don't expect anything from congress nor many of my "friends" on social networks. If I want to be secure in my communications with them, I will/have taken the steps to do so through means discussed at length plenty of times on HN. If governments across the world want to go on witch hunts, they'll only get more of what has happened because of them: "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got". The way I see it, the point of no return was long ago… [0] http://techtv.mit.edu/embeds/21783?html5=true&size=medium&custom_width=432&player=simple&external_stylesheet= http://techtv.mit.edu/embeds/21783?html5=true&size=medium&cu...

wglb 13y ago

No, I want you to acknowledge the gravity of the incident So you will scold us till we agree with you?