Are you seriously quibbling on moot points to make the argument that the Pre is not an iPhone knockoff? Yes, the iPhone has a keyboard. I can type 40 WPM on it

Are you seriously quibbling on moot points to make the argument that the Pre is not an iPhone knockoff? Yes, the iPhone has a keyboard. I can type 40 WPM on it. I didn't say touchscreen; I said multi-touch of which Apple has a patent for. Apple also has patents on the application interface, hardware design and pinch zoom gestures that Palm ripped off from the iPhone. The Pre team is full of ex-Apple engineers. The Pre emulates an iPod so it can sync with iTunes for heaven's sake. I had the Palm V and it was nothing special. The Kindle is not a phone. It does not have a color screen which can switch to eInk. I didn't say Apple dominated the cell market; I said they changed the game. How can you deny this fact when cell manufacturers everywhere have scrambled to clone the iPhone? The Pre is simply another knock-off like the Voyager or the Instinct. I am not the one using flawed logic. My arguments are sound and I think you missed the point. Palm is not going to beat Apple by copying them.