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But it means they're not comparing iOS (and WP and BB10) to Android, they're comparing them to TouchWiz (or whatever Samsung are calling their skin these days).

by SifJar 13y ago

But it means they're not comparing iOS (and WP and BB10) to Android, they're comparing them to TouchWiz (or whatever Samsung are calling their skin these days). In that case, they should also include HTC Sense and Motorola Blur etc. The fact that TouchWiz is most popular is irrelvant; pretty much any Android skin is probably more popular than BB10, and many are more popular than WP as well.

poolpool 13y ago
Relatively no one who walks into a store to buy a phone understands any of those words you just said. They just know they bought the most popular android phone and I guess this is what android is? Edit: By your definition you can't compare anything to android because android doesn't exist. Is it possible to compare windows to linux?
- Lonik 13y ago
  > Relatively no one who walks into a store to buy a phone understands any of those words you just said. > They just know they bought the most popular android phone and I guess this is what android is? SifJar was talking to you, not the average person who walks into any store. > Edit: By your definition you can't compare anything to android because android doesn't exist. He didn't try to (re)define anything. To give you a clue, when someone talks about Android to me, I think about the Android Open Source Project, the OS managed by Google. It's essentially what the Nexus devices come with. The problem with the study is that they claim to compare different operating systems, while more precisely, they are comparing different user experiences on different OSs. Big difference, I'm explaining it below, and they should know better. In the case of Android, most OEMs do everything they can to differentiate their devices from other Android devices, and thus they offer a fundamentally different experience. They even give names to these experiences, e.g. TouchWiz or Sense. So the authors were actually comparing TouchWiz to other operating systems. This is evident by the fact that some of the features they felt were lacking are actually in Android trunk, and some of the features they found problematic are not. Thus, I feel like the people who did this UX study didn't actually know what exactly they were studying, based on their choice of words (TouchWiz is not mentioned at all).
Lonik 13y ago
Exactly, I thought -- before reading the report -- that they're going to compare AOSP. The different skins OEMs put on their phones massively cripple the UX of AOSP, I think pretty much everyone agrees with this. So while it makes sense to include some of the more popular UIs, it's very short-sighted to equate those to Android. It would have been much more interesting if we could see what the OEMs start with, and how they make Android overly complicated and awful.

by SifJar 13y ago

poolpool 13y ago

Relatively no one who walks into a store to buy a phone understands any of those words you just said. They just know they bought the most popular android phone and I guess this is what android is? Edit: By your definition you can't compare anything to android because android doesn't exist. Is it possible to compare windows to linux?

Lonik 13y ago
> Relatively no one who walks into a store to buy a phone understands any of those words you just said. > They just know they bought the most popular android phone and I guess this is what android is? SifJar was talking to you, not the average person who walks into any store. > Edit: By your definition you can't compare anything to android because android doesn't exist. He didn't try to (re)define anything. To give you a clue, when someone talks about Android to me, I think about the Android Open Source Project, the OS managed by Google. It's essentially what the Nexus devices come with. The problem with the study is that they claim to compare different operating systems, while more precisely, they are comparing different user experiences on different OSs. Big difference, I'm explaining it below, and they should know better. In the case of Android, most OEMs do everything they can to differentiate their devices from other Android devices, and thus they offer a fundamentally different experience. They even give names to these experiences, e.g. TouchWiz or Sense. So the authors were actually comparing TouchWiz to other operating systems. This is evident by the fact that some of the features they felt were lacking are actually in Android trunk, and some of the features they found problematic are not. Thus, I feel like the people who did this UX study didn't actually know what exactly they were studying, based on their choice of words (TouchWiz is not mentioned at all).

Lonik 13y ago

Exactly, I thought -- before reading the report -- that they're going to compare AOSP. The different skins OEMs put on their phones massively cripple the UX of AOSP, I think pretty much everyone agrees with this. So while it makes sense to include some of the more popular UIs, it's very short-sighted to equate those to Android. It would have been much more interesting if we could see what the OEMs start with, and how they make Android overly complicated and awful.