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> Why Your Startup Can’t Find Developers Relying on recruiters. Recruiters are notorious for buzzword searching and resume stacking. And Googler's probably do

> Why Your Startup Can’t Find Developers Relying on recruiters. Recruiters are notorious for buzzword searching and resume stacking. And Googler's probably don't respond to interview requests because they don't trust or respect recruiters (just a hunch). Find other ways to advertise your jobs, like old fashoined networking, message boards, social media, etc.

takrupp 13y ago
I've found that start up founders try to rely on themselves too much for recruiting (really sourcing) and marketing. Just hire someone and take it off your plate - you are more useful raising money, building product and getting users. Recruiting is important but can by very time intensive. Define clear goals, values and process and then Hire someone to do it. Let them fill the funnel through boards, social media, recruiters or other marketplaces (cough Hired.com cough). You and your team can then evaluate and hire.
JakeStone 13y ago
I'll second that one. I'm actively searching to get me and my family out of TX back to the SF Bay area. I'm a .NET guy, so I know the deck's a little stacked against me, but dealing with recruiters is rapidly becoming mind numbing. "Must have 2 years of T-SQL." Ok, I've written my share of SQL for ASP.NET and desktop apps on MSSQL Server. Add it up and it's about 4 years, plus the last year or so with EF. Here's my resume. "We can't send this to our client, you don't have T-SQL." Umm... SQL on MSSQL Server _is_ T-SQL. "Now you're lying to me." Ok, this is where our professional relationship ends. Thanks for your time. Then there's that job where I pitched in on some Java stuff that needed doing. Similar to C#, I can grok. We got that code out the door, and it's still working. Yay. "Hello! I want to tell you about an opportunity requiring 10 years of J2EE and [insert other Java tech buzzwords]." <sigh> I'm not a Java guru anywhere near that level. Let me rewrite that project so Java isn't on there anymore. Doesn't matter. My resume is now in some resume bank that farms it out to non-perceiving headhunting companies. Yeah, I'm getting a little cranky now. I'll stop.
- Romoku 13y ago
  I feel your pain. Startups aren't friendly to the cushy .NET environment. I've seen plenty of other middlewares such as Java, Scala, Python, Ruby, and Node, but no .NET.
  - rrouse 13y ago
    If Windows Server/SQL Server was free or astronomically cheaper, that would change I think. I wouldn't have any trouble spinning up a product on that stack if I knew I could deploy it without spending a lot on just the software stack (especially if I was bootstrapped)
    - Romoku 13y ago
      I will admit Microsoft could do better with their pricing. Sql Server Express and Visual Studio Express are free, but I have licenses to all of my development tools ($50 Sql Server developer edition + $500 Visual Studio + $150 Resharper). Their partner program action packs are relatively cheaper than buying the individual products ($429 Design and Dev action pack includes pretty much everything) or an MSDN subscription. Their BizSpark program is aimed at keeping costs low during development and Azure has simplified deployment (1 shared instance + Sql Database + 50GB bandwidth for $25/mo). I've found Node to be a good supplement for some middleware (but it still has bland RDBMS support especially with SQL Server).
- BigChiefSmokem 13y ago
  What is the point of me speaking to an "account manager" (usually a lady) to ask me the same questions the recruiter just did? Is the "recruiter" just there to push buttons on some CRM system or something to make sure I wasn't a false lead? That's not really recruiting. I just tell "recruiters" that yeah "I know Java and .NET - expert in everything. Let's talk compensation..." and just wait till I talk to the actual tech lead to explain my skills and experience in detail. From what I noticed, if you have worked in one stack or the other you are experienced in my book, you can catch up on the details (WebAPI? Scala?) during your first week.
- 13y ago
capkutay 13y ago
Can anyone recommend good websites for recruiting developers? My company used stack overflow before with no success. Craiglist and hn's who's hiring were better. It seems like hacker news is the best place to go at this point ;)
- CmonDev 13y ago
  Try starting the ad with "$120k+". Bring attention to most important part.

takrupp 13y ago

I've found that start up founders try to rely on themselves too much for recruiting (really sourcing) and marketing. Just hire someone and take it off your plate - you are more useful raising money, building product and getting users. Recruiting is important but can by very time intensive. Define clear goals, values and process and then Hire someone to do it. Let them fill the funnel through boards, social media, recruiters or other marketplaces (cough Hired.com cough). You and your team can then evaluate and hire.

JakeStone 13y ago

I'll second that one. I'm actively searching to get me and my family out of TX back to the SF Bay area. I'm a .NET guy, so I know the deck's a little stacked against me, but dealing with recruiters is rapidly becoming mind numbing. "Must have 2 years of T-SQL." Ok, I've written my share of SQL for ASP.NET and desktop apps on MSSQL Server. Add it up and it's about 4 years, plus the last year or so with EF. Here's my resume. "We can't send this to our client, you don't have T-SQL." Umm... SQL on MSSQL Server _is_ T-SQL. "Now you're lying to me." Ok, this is where our professional relationship ends. Thanks for your time. Then there's that job where I pitched in on some Java stuff that needed doing. Similar to C#, I can grok. We got that code out the door, and it's still working. Yay. "Hello! I want to tell you about an opportunity requiring 10 years of J2EE and [insert other Java tech buzzwords]." <sigh> I'm not a Java guru anywhere near that level. Let me rewrite that project so Java isn't on there anymore. Doesn't matter. My resume is now in some resume bank that farms it out to non-perceiving headhunting companies. Yeah, I'm getting a little cranky now. I'll stop.

Romoku 13y ago
I feel your pain. Startups aren't friendly to the cushy .NET environment. I've seen plenty of other middlewares such as Java, Scala, Python, Ruby, and Node, but no .NET.
- rrouse 13y ago
  If Windows Server/SQL Server was free or astronomically cheaper, that would change I think. I wouldn't have any trouble spinning up a product on that stack if I knew I could deploy it without spending a lot on just the software stack (especially if I was bootstrapped)
  - Romoku 13y ago
    I will admit Microsoft could do better with their pricing. Sql Server Express and Visual Studio Express are free, but I have licenses to all of my development tools ($50 Sql Server developer edition + $500 Visual Studio + $150 Resharper). Their partner program action packs are relatively cheaper than buying the individual products ($429 Design and Dev action pack includes pretty much everything) or an MSDN subscription. Their BizSpark program is aimed at keeping costs low during development and Azure has simplified deployment (1 shared instance + Sql Database + 50GB bandwidth for $25/mo). I've found Node to be a good supplement for some middleware (but it still has bland RDBMS support especially with SQL Server).
BigChiefSmokem 13y ago
What is the point of me speaking to an "account manager" (usually a lady) to ask me the same questions the recruiter just did? Is the "recruiter" just there to push buttons on some CRM system or something to make sure I wasn't a false lead? That's not really recruiting. I just tell "recruiters" that yeah "I know Java and .NET - expert in everything. Let's talk compensation..." and just wait till I talk to the actual tech lead to explain my skills and experience in detail. From what I noticed, if you have worked in one stack or the other you are experienced in my book, you can catch up on the details (WebAPI? Scala?) during your first week.
13y ago

capkutay 13y ago

Can anyone recommend good websites for recruiting developers? My company used stack overflow before with no success. Craiglist and hn's who's hiring were better. It seems like hacker news is the best place to go at this point ;)

CmonDev 13y ago
Try starting the ad with "$120k+". Bring attention to most important part.