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Google is becoming the portals they railed against in early 2000. Their problem is that natural growth has all but stopped so Google is trying to keep as many p

Google is becoming the portals they railed against in early 2000. Their problem is that natural growth has all but stopped so Google is trying to keep as many people as possible in their properties hoping the click on an ad eventually. King Larry cannot face Wall Street and admit that Google needs to be treated as a money making giant but not as wildly growing one, so he's riding Google to the ground. What's wrong with answering questions and offering everything under the sun? Because another site might have better answers and offering but Google's MBAs will make sure that page is buried down below--unless they advertise. "Best for the users" has been replaced with "best for this quarter's earnings," and it's just a matter of time before it catches up with Google. Google criticism was barely existent just 2-3 years ago, now it's widespread. What else will they do to prop up their earnings??? On what can you trust them?

awj 13y ago
Is it baseless assumption Thursday? What evidence do you have to support any of this?
- bsullivan01 13y ago
  What evidence do you have to support any of this? How about you tell me line by line where I'm wrong? Beware that I do this for a living, I help manage quite a few small business sites and know this first hand. I also follow Google's stock and earnings reports. You should read Patrick Pichette's comments about their low CPC and how ad clicks increased by double digits. It's obvious that Search will hand more penalties this quarter to more sites, hoping they advertise and help increase CPC along the way.
  - dannyr 13y ago
    I could name at least 5 projects that Google is working now that is a long-term bet and doesn't care about quarterly earnings. I'm afraid that it would still not convince you otherwise.
    - bsullivan01 13y ago
      I could name at least 5 projects that Google is working now that is a long-term bet and doesn't care about quarterly earnings. Name them. And how much money Google is investing in them. I could launch a project that costs me $5. All these "projects" are tolerated because Google is increasing earnings by double++ digits each quarter, albeit by destroying every bit of their credibility. The minute the over-monetization growth stops, Larry Page will see Google's stock drop by $200+ a share and he'll face a mutiny within Google and the press will call Google a has been. You bet he cares, he's just a good liar.
  - lelandbatey 13y ago
    I believe that the burden of proof lies with you and your original claims, not with those that doubt you. We're not saying you're wrong, but we are saying we'd like to know more. Can you please provide us with resources so we can get familiar with the information behind what you have to say?
    - bsullivan01 13y ago
      Fine. Where am I wrong? What claim needs to be supported? Obviously you don't expect a secret email or memo, we deduce from their actions and results.
      - jlgreco 13y ago
        Sigh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof Obviously nobody is expecting a leaked memo or something, but an explanation of which actions and what results you are talking about would be nice, since you are the one making claims.
        bsullivan01 13y ago
        So tell me, what claim needs to be supported? I am not going to sit here and write 1000 words for each word I used to try to convince you.
      - krelian 13y ago
        I will tell you are right once there are no longer 10 results on the serp page. Google wants you to use their products, if the search results they give you are bad then less people will use their search engine. It's that simple. At any given point there are 10 sites that are listed in the search results and millions of others that need to advertise to get to the first page. Those millions will always think that Google is out to get them and that some conspiracy is involved.
        bsullivan01 13y ago
  - RogerL 13y ago
    It's the job of the person making the claim to provide the evidence for their claim, not the job of the listener to provide counter-evidence.
  - awj 13y ago
    > How about you tell me line by line where I'm wrong? Beware that I do this for a living Then it should be pretty easy for you to point out some factual account of an action or property of Google that backs up your claims. Feel free to start with any sentence you wish.
    - bsullivan01 13y ago
      Here's one: Google Shopping search or whatever they call it this month. They switched to a all paid version, so only stores that pay Google get featured and the price they pay to Google is what decides their placement--regardless of what Google says. If a store that has the best price does not pay Google or does not pay Google enough will not be seen by users.

awj 13y ago

Is it baseless assumption Thursday? What evidence do you have to support any of this?

bsullivan01 13y ago
What evidence do you have to support any of this? How about you tell me line by line where I'm wrong? Beware that I do this for a living, I help manage quite a few small business sites and know this first hand. I also follow Google's stock and earnings reports. You should read Patrick Pichette's comments about their low CPC and how ad clicks increased by double digits. It's obvious that Search will hand more penalties this quarter to more sites, hoping they advertise and help increase CPC along the way.
- dannyr 13y ago
  I could name at least 5 projects that Google is working now that is a long-term bet and doesn't care about quarterly earnings. I'm afraid that it would still not convince you otherwise.
  - bsullivan01 13y ago
    I could name at least 5 projects that Google is working now that is a long-term bet and doesn't care about quarterly earnings. Name them. And how much money Google is investing in them. I could launch a project that costs me $5. All these "projects" are tolerated because Google is increasing earnings by double++ digits each quarter, albeit by destroying every bit of their credibility. The minute the over-monetization growth stops, Larry Page will see Google's stock drop by $200+ a share and he'll face a mutiny within Google and the press will call Google a has been. You bet he cares, he's just a good liar.
- lelandbatey 13y ago
  I believe that the burden of proof lies with you and your original claims, not with those that doubt you. We're not saying you're wrong, but we are saying we'd like to know more. Can you please provide us with resources so we can get familiar with the information behind what you have to say?
  - bsullivan01 13y ago
    Fine. Where am I wrong? What claim needs to be supported? Obviously you don't expect a secret email or memo, we deduce from their actions and results.
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      Sigh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof Obviously nobody is expecting a leaked memo or something, but an explanation of which actions and what results you are talking about would be nice, since you are the one making claims.
      - bsullivan01 13y ago
        So tell me, what claim needs to be supported? I am not going to sit here and write 1000 words for each word I used to try to convince you.
    - krelian 13y ago
      I will tell you are right once there are no longer 10 results on the serp page. Google wants you to use their products, if the search results they give you are bad then less people will use their search engine. It's that simple. At any given point there are 10 sites that are listed in the search results and millions of others that need to advertise to get to the first page. Those millions will always think that Google is out to get them and that some conspiracy is involved.
      - bsullivan01 13y ago
- RogerL 13y ago
  It's the job of the person making the claim to provide the evidence for their claim, not the job of the listener to provide counter-evidence.
- awj 13y ago
  > How about you tell me line by line where I'm wrong? Beware that I do this for a living Then it should be pretty easy for you to point out some factual account of an action or property of Google that backs up your claims. Feel free to start with any sentence you wish.
  - bsullivan01 13y ago
    Here's one: Google Shopping search or whatever they call it this month. They switched to a all paid version, so only stores that pay Google get featured and the price they pay to Google is what decides their placement--regardless of what Google says. If a store that has the best price does not pay Google or does not pay Google enough will not be seen by users.