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Yes I do, it just comes from Apple themselves. There are several icons you can't get rid of on the iphone for apple products and services.

by TrevorJ 13y ago

1qaz2wsx3edc 13y ago
True, but at least nothing from third parties
- kintamanimatt 13y ago
  What's the difference? Crapware is crapware no matter who the vendor is.
  - signa11 13y ago
    on a browser, would you rather go with suggestive ads by say google, or have google actually install an adbar that everyone under the sun can spam you with ?
r00fus 13y ago
They aren't blatant advertisements like the Pizza Hut link. There's quite a difference.
- deleted 13y ago
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carlosrg 13y ago
I hope you're trolling or joking. Comparing a Pizza Hut bookmark with iOS built-in apps, just wow. I mean, I knew Apple haters were dense but this is excessive.
- piyush_soni 13y ago
  Really, I think the same. Comparing just a browser bookmark which doesn't always come in your way with an ever intrusive app and loving crapware just because it's from their loved company? I mean, I knew Apple fans are dense, but this is excessive.
  - sjwright 13y ago
    I can't delete your post from Hacker News. Therefore by your logic it's also intrusive crapware. Sigh.
    - piyush_soni 13y ago
      Aah. You don't pay to come here, and it's not your property. It's a public forum, which by definition has comments from people which you might or might not like :). Here, only the comments which public on the whole like should be there - and that is already the case - if majority doesn't like it, it'll automatically get suppressed. A phone is a different thing - it's a personal property. Only the things you like should be there on your phone. If that's not the case, it's bad - now favoring one more intrusive crapware and cursing a less intrusive one because of a bias, is bad. Anyway, you completely missed the point of my comment :).
      - sjwright 13y ago
        > Only the things you like should be there on your phone. Moral of the story: don't live in the USA.
        piyush_soni 13y ago
        Or, just buy an unlocked (carrier free) phone, rooted. That's what I do.
  - ankitml 13y ago
    no one has paid apple to do that. It is not an advertisement. It is more of like internet explorer built in. Whereas undeletable advertisement bookmark is like having a unchangable wallpaper by some third party.
- eropple 13y ago
  Newsstand is spam if you want nothing to do with it. It is an imposition upon the device I own. With Android, I can disable any app I want, even built-in ones (for example, Samsung includes a bookmark provider that adds Samsung bookmarks, which I don't want). Here's a thought: when all you can do is rail against the "haters", you are in a bad state of mind.
  - siglesias 13y ago
    Is the phone app spam if I want nothing to do with it? The music app if I don't listen to music? Get real. There's a difference between Newsstand, which exists because it's very common for touch-device users to consolidate their reading subscriptions (as there is one for music and videos), and bloatware, which third parties pay companies to add to the OS and which detract from the experience.
    - eropple 13y ago
      > Is the phone app spam if I want nothing to do with it? The music app if I don't listen to music? Yes. This is quite real of me, I assure you. If I can't make it Go Away if I have no use for it, it's spam. As it happens, I've consolidated my reading. It isn't in Newsstand. It should not trouble me if I don't want it, and having a "junk" drawer is a sad non-solution.
      - siglesias 13y ago
        The common definition of spam is something that most people consider junk but a few people might use, thus justifying inflicting it upon everyone. Your definition is almost the opposite: something that most people find useful but that you happen not to need. This is an abuse if not outright misuse of the term.
        do-it-good 13y ago
        Haha, many people just find it too painful to admit they were ever wrong. So once they say they support a given team, party, church, company they start ignoring all evidence against it. Interesting how after your original argument (the difference between app and bookmark) was defeated you came up with a new one (percentage of people liking).
epo 13y ago
And IMMEDIATELY the fandroids come out and pretend that we should be talking about how bad Apple is. +1 for the comment somewhere about how dense Android fans appear to be. However bad you think Apple might be, Samsung is far, far worse, just much less successful and slick about it. I had thought the old adage about "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" was only believed by halfwits, apparently I was wrong.
- malandrew 13y ago
  FWIW, I was the first one in this thread to point out the app deletion issue on the iPhone and I am an iPhone user and haven't yet owned an Android. Undeletable crapware is crapware whether it is installed by Apple, Samsung or the carriers.

Yes I do, it just comes from Apple themselves. There are several icons you can't get rid of on the iphone for apple products and services.

by TrevorJ 13y ago

Yes I do, it just comes from Apple themselves. There are several icons you can't get rid of on the iphone for apple products and services.

1qaz2wsx3edc 13y ago

True, but at least nothing from third parties

kintamanimatt 13y ago
What's the difference? Crapware is crapware no matter who the vendor is.
- signa11 13y ago
  on a browser, would you rather go with suggestive ads by say google, or have google actually install an adbar that everyone under the sun can spam you with ?

r00fus 13y ago

They aren't blatant advertisements like the Pizza Hut link. There's quite a difference.

deleted 13y ago
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carlosrg 13y ago

I hope you're trolling or joking. Comparing a Pizza Hut bookmark with iOS built-in apps, just wow. I mean, I knew Apple haters were dense but this is excessive.

piyush_soni 13y ago
Really, I think the same. Comparing just a browser bookmark which doesn't always come in your way with an ever intrusive app and loving crapware just because it's from their loved company? I mean, I knew Apple fans are dense, but this is excessive.
- sjwright 13y ago
  I can't delete your post from Hacker News. Therefore by your logic it's also intrusive crapware. Sigh.
  - piyush_soni 13y ago
    Aah. You don't pay to come here, and it's not your property. It's a public forum, which by definition has comments from people which you might or might not like :). Here, only the comments which public on the whole like should be there - and that is already the case - if majority doesn't like it, it'll automatically get suppressed. A phone is a different thing - it's a personal property. Only the things you like should be there on your phone. If that's not the case, it's bad - now favoring one more intrusive crapware and cursing a less intrusive one because of a bias, is bad. Anyway, you completely missed the point of my comment :).
    - sjwright 13y ago
      > Only the things you like should be there on your phone. Moral of the story: don't live in the USA.
      - piyush_soni 13y ago
        Or, just buy an unlocked (carrier free) phone, rooted. That's what I do.
- ankitml 13y ago
  no one has paid apple to do that. It is not an advertisement. It is more of like internet explorer built in. Whereas undeletable advertisement bookmark is like having a unchangable wallpaper by some third party.
eropple 13y ago
Newsstand is spam if you want nothing to do with it. It is an imposition upon the device I own. With Android, I can disable any app I want, even built-in ones (for example, Samsung includes a bookmark provider that adds Samsung bookmarks, which I don't want). Here's a thought: when all you can do is rail against the "haters", you are in a bad state of mind.
- siglesias 13y ago
  Is the phone app spam if I want nothing to do with it? The music app if I don't listen to music? Get real. There's a difference between Newsstand, which exists because it's very common for touch-device users to consolidate their reading subscriptions (as there is one for music and videos), and bloatware, which third parties pay companies to add to the OS and which detract from the experience.
  - eropple 13y ago
    > Is the phone app spam if I want nothing to do with it? The music app if I don't listen to music? Yes. This is quite real of me, I assure you. If I can't make it Go Away if I have no use for it, it's spam. As it happens, I've consolidated my reading. It isn't in Newsstand. It should not trouble me if I don't want it, and having a "junk" drawer is a sad non-solution.
    - siglesias 13y ago
      The common definition of spam is something that most people consider junk but a few people might use, thus justifying inflicting it upon everyone. Your definition is almost the opposite: something that most people find useful but that you happen not to need. This is an abuse if not outright misuse of the term.
      - do-it-good 13y ago
        Haha, many people just find it too painful to admit they were ever wrong. So once they say they support a given team, party, church, company they start ignoring all evidence against it. Interesting how after your original argument (the difference between app and bookmark) was defeated you came up with a new one (percentage of people liking).

epo 13y ago

And IMMEDIATELY the fandroids come out and pretend that we should be talking about how bad Apple is. +1 for the comment somewhere about how dense Android fans appear to be. However bad you think Apple might be, Samsung is far, far worse, just much less successful and slick about it. I had thought the old adage about "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" was only believed by halfwits, apparently I was wrong.

malandrew 13y ago
FWIW, I was the first one in this thread to point out the app deletion issue on the iPhone and I am an iPhone user and haven't yet owned an Android. Undeletable crapware is crapware whether it is installed by Apple, Samsung or the carriers.