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Actually you do. Tell me again why I can't delete either Game Center, Stocks or other stock Apple apps on the iPhone.

criley2 13y ago
Features =/= Crapware Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. Game Center is like S Voice, a first part developed software that is billed as a "Feature". Apple has no equivalent to "Pizza Hut" bookmarks that can't be deleted, because they control their carrier relationships better than Samsung who is willing to give their partners the freedom to install and screw up what they want. Fortunately, Samsung is generally pretty good about letting us users have custom roms, which IMO trumps the Apple advantage for us power users. A custom rom > non-bloated default iOS, to me.
- onebaddude 13y ago
  >Features =/= Crapware "Feature" is just semantics, then. I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap.
  - zarify 13y ago
    Actually I think that post-Game Center games are much better behaved. Remember what it used to be like to OpenFeint and whatever the other one was that I don't remember the name of? That was far more obtrusive before Apple put in their own version and everyone started using that instead.
  - criley2 13y ago
    >I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap. I totally agree and Google's forced G+ integration with the newer G+ Games services is very frustarting too. No G+ I do not want your crappy me-too social network attached to my gaming apps. But as is generally the case, I imagine people will hate Apple and love Google for doing the same business practice...
- ce4 13y ago
  Samsung is not pretty good regarding community support, here's an in depth story from a former CyanogenMod maintainer for Samsung's Exynos4 based devices (S2/S3/Note/Note2/etc) [1]. For example, emergency calling functionality was broken for a long time and has been reverse engineered only recently [2]. [1] https://plus.google.com/101093310520661581786/posts/aoAGK5yo13Y https://plus.google.com/101093310520661581786/posts/aoAGK5yo... [2] http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-fixes-emergency-calls-many-exynos-devices http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-fixes-emergency-ca...
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- rrreese 13y ago
  >>Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. I'll point you to the Apple weather app with the prominent Yahoo! link at the bottom left. This would be more tolerable if the app itself wasn't terrible. I really wish I could delete Apple's apps, why not come with them installed and let you remove and re-add, say like podcasts.
ptlu 13y ago
There is a difference between default apps and apps for which the manufacturer was paid to put on the phone in order to advertise to the purchaser. Apple does not get paid by another company to load its default apps onto the phone.
- KaoruAoiShiho 13y ago
  What do you call newsstand? It's a purely magazine advertising service. Would PizzaHut app be acceptable if it was called PizzaStand and allowed you to select from multiple pizza vendors?
  - tedunangst 13y ago
    I think there would be a lot less dissatisfaction with a generic Pizza app.
  - r00fus 13y ago
    It's a default app. It doesn't come with any content, nor any branding on it's icon. You're analogy does not hold.
  - cscurmudgeon 13y ago
    A proper analogy on the Apple side would be "ShittyHut" where you can buy only magazines from Shitty Magazine Inc and nothing else. E.g, a "Cosmopolitan App" that you can't delete and can use to only buy Cosmopolitan. That is the proper analogy here.
  - j-g-faustus 13y ago
    Call it FoodStand, let if fill with food vendors in my neighbourhood (preferably those who offer delivery), and I'm all for it. That would transform PizzaHut from an obnoxious ad ("seller oriented") to a genuinely useful option I would probably use on occasion ("customer oriented"). I dislike intrusive ads (and spending good money on a physical gadget just to be met by "congratulations, and incidentally you've also bought into a lifelong relationship with this pizza vendor" is intrusive). But I don't mind being told that "newspapers are here, food is over there"; I might even find it useful at some point. I still think it would be nice if Apple would let me hide the non-deletable apps I don't use: Let me hide the newsstand icon, pop it up again if I ever decide to subcribe to a newspaper. But the newsstand doesn't grate me the way a permanent link to any particular magazine would. Any particular magazine is unlikely to be my favorite, it might even be one I hate. That doesn't imply that I hate magazines, newsstands, pizza or food in general.
officemonkey 13y ago
At least now you can bury them in a folder.
bdcravens 13y ago
Also, you can't put Newsstand into a folder
- Osmium 13y ago
  Actually you can as of iOS 7.
  - fpgeek 13y ago
    Yes and no. Apparently there's a bug that can crash iTunes if you put Newsstand in a folder: https://discussions.apple.com/message/23039388#23039388 https://discussions.apple.com/message/23039388#23039388
    - melange 13y ago
      I'm sure that was done on purpose.
  - bdcravens 13y ago
    I'm on a 5S - was trying to do it via iTunes, but I may not have the newest version. Of course, that bug mentioned might be a problem. That aside, I can do it via phone. Thanks for the heads up.

Features =/= Crapware Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. Game Center is like S Voice, a first part developed software that is billed as a "Feature". Apple has no equivalent to "Pizza Hut" bookmarks that can't be deleted, because they control their carrier relationships better than Samsung who is willing to give their partners the freedom to install and screw up what they want. Fortunately, Samsung is generally pretty good about letting us users have custom roms, which IMO trumps the Apple advantage for us power users. A custom rom > non-bloated default iOS, to me.

onebaddude 13y ago
>Features =/= Crapware "Feature" is just semantics, then. I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap.
- zarify 13y ago
  Actually I think that post-Game Center games are much better behaved. Remember what it used to be like to OpenFeint and whatever the other one was that I don't remember the name of? That was far more obtrusive before Apple put in their own version and everyone started using that instead.
- criley2 13y ago
  >I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap. I totally agree and Google's forced G+ integration with the newer G+ Games services is very frustarting too. No G+ I do not want your crappy me-too social network attached to my gaming apps. But as is generally the case, I imagine people will hate Apple and love Google for doing the same business practice...
ce4 13y ago
Samsung is not pretty good regarding community support, here's an in depth story from a former CyanogenMod maintainer for Samsung's Exynos4 based devices (S2/S3/Note/Note2/etc) [1]. For example, emergency calling functionality was broken for a long time and has been reverse engineered only recently [2]. [1] https://plus.google.com/101093310520661581786/posts/aoAGK5yo13Y https://plus.google.com/101093310520661581786/posts/aoAGK5yo... [2] http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-fixes-emergency-calls-many-exynos-devices http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-fixes-emergency-ca...
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rrreese 13y ago
>>Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. I'll point you to the Apple weather app with the prominent Yahoo! link at the bottom left. This would be more tolerable if the app itself wasn't terrible. I really wish I could delete Apple's apps, why not come with them installed and let you remove and re-add, say like podcasts.

ptlu 13y ago

There is a difference between default apps and apps for which the manufacturer was paid to put on the phone in order to advertise to the purchaser. Apple does not get paid by another company to load its default apps onto the phone.

KaoruAoiShiho 13y ago
What do you call newsstand? It's a purely magazine advertising service. Would PizzaHut app be acceptable if it was called PizzaStand and allowed you to select from multiple pizza vendors?
- tedunangst 13y ago
  I think there would be a lot less dissatisfaction with a generic Pizza app.
- r00fus 13y ago
  It's a default app. It doesn't come with any content, nor any branding on it's icon. You're analogy does not hold.
- cscurmudgeon 13y ago
  A proper analogy on the Apple side would be "ShittyHut" where you can buy only magazines from Shitty Magazine Inc and nothing else. E.g, a "Cosmopolitan App" that you can't delete and can use to only buy Cosmopolitan. That is the proper analogy here.
- j-g-faustus 13y ago
  Call it FoodStand, let if fill with food vendors in my neighbourhood (preferably those who offer delivery), and I'm all for it. That would transform PizzaHut from an obnoxious ad ("seller oriented") to a genuinely useful option I would probably use on occasion ("customer oriented"). I dislike intrusive ads (and spending good money on a physical gadget just to be met by "congratulations, and incidentally you've also bought into a lifelong relationship with this pizza vendor" is intrusive). But I don't mind being told that "newspapers are here, food is over there"; I might even find it useful at some point. I still think it would be nice if Apple would let me hide the non-deletable apps I don't use: Let me hide the newsstand icon, pop it up again if I ever decide to subcribe to a newspaper. But the newsstand doesn't grate me the way a permanent link to any particular magazine would. Any particular magazine is unlikely to be my favorite, it might even be one I hate. That doesn't imply that I hate magazines, newsstands, pizza or food in general.

officemonkey 13y ago

At least now you can bury them in a folder.

bdcravens 13y ago

Also, you can't put Newsstand into a folder

Osmium 13y ago
Actually you can as of iOS 7.
- fpgeek 13y ago
  Yes and no. Apparently there's a bug that can crash iTunes if you put Newsstand in a folder: https://discussions.apple.com/message/23039388#23039388 https://discussions.apple.com/message/23039388#23039388
  - melange 13y ago
    I'm sure that was done on purpose.
- bdcravens 13y ago
  I'm on a 5S - was trying to do it via iTunes, but I may not have the newest version. Of course, that bug mentioned might be a problem. That aside, I can do it via phone. Thanks for the heads up.