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No. It's a Samsung problem. You don't see crapware on iPhones do you?

Sheepshow 13y ago
I don't like it any more than you, but to Samsung and its investors, the undeletable Pizza Hut bookmark is a feature. Not only does it generate additional revenue with little additional design time, but it also indicates that Samsung has a healthy and attractive business in which other businesses would like to participate.
- malandrew 13y ago
  Upvoted because others downvoted this. Just because you are not happy with the truthiness captured by the comment is not a reason to downvote it.
- differentView 13y ago
  It also cheapens the brand.
  - ihsw 13y ago
    Fuck brand, it's a middle finger to users.
- baddox 13y ago
  I agree with that, but it's still a Samsung problem.
- bowlofpetunias 13y ago
  Somehow I find it hard to interpret an undeletable Pizza Hut bookmark as a sign of a healthy business. It has the familiar smell of desperation to monetize everything. Unless of course Samsung is striving to be known as the Ryanair of consumer electronics.
  - malandrew 13y ago
    We blame Samsung. Most users will just deal with it. Few and far between care enough about crapware to abandon a phone manufacturer over it (assuming they even blame Samsung for it at all). Marketing people from major companies use a Samsung phone and sees the bookmark will think "I wish our brand was there. How do we reach out to the carrier or Samsung to put our brand there as well?" a few weeks later in a meeting with a carrier or Samsung, "Yes, we can put a bookmark there for X dollars. However if you want it to be undeletable, you can pay 2X dollars" or "Pizza Hut is paying us 2X dollars for that and we don't want to put more than one there, so you need to outbid pizza hut for that spot." next step.... money rolling in.
    - mietek 13y ago
      Next step: http://i.imgur.com/Sptabbs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Sptabbs.jpg
malandrew 13y ago
Actually you do. Tell me again why I can't delete either Game Center, Stocks or other stock Apple apps on the iPhone.
- criley2 13y ago
  Features =/= Crapware Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. Game Center is like S Voice, a first part developed software that is billed as a "Feature". Apple has no equivalent to "Pizza Hut" bookmarks that can't be deleted, because they control their carrier relationships better than Samsung who is willing to give their partners the freedom to install and screw up what they want. Fortunately, Samsung is generally pretty good about letting us users have custom roms, which IMO trumps the Apple advantage for us power users. A custom rom > non-bloated default iOS, to me.
  - onebaddude 13y ago
    >Features =/= Crapware "Feature" is just semantics, then. I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap.
    - zarify 13y ago
      Actually I think that post-Game Center games are much better behaved. Remember what it used to be like to OpenFeint and whatever the other one was that I don't remember the name of? That was far more obtrusive before Apple put in their own version and everyone started using that instead.
    - criley2 13y ago
      >I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap. I totally agree and Google's forced G+ integration with the newer G+ Games services is very frustarting too. No G+ I do not want your crappy me-too social network attached to my gaming apps. But as is generally the case, I imagine people will hate Apple and love Google for doing the same business practice...
dba7dba 13y ago
Samsung doesn't own OS like Apple does. Despite Samsung selling more phones than Apple, they don't have the clout like apple does.
TrevorJ 13y ago
Yes I do, it just comes from Apple themselves. There are several icons you can't get rid of on the iphone for apple products and services.
- 1qaz2wsx3edc 13y ago
  True, but at least nothing from third parties
  - kintamanimatt 13y ago
    What's the difference? Crapware is crapware no matter who the vendor is.
    - signa11 13y ago
      on a browser, would you rather go with suggestive ads by say google, or have google actually install an adbar that everyone under the sun can spam you with ?
- r00fus 13y ago
  They aren't blatant advertisements like the Pizza Hut link. There's quite a difference.
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- carlosrg 13y ago
  I hope you're trolling or joking. Comparing a Pizza Hut bookmark with iOS built-in apps, just wow. I mean, I knew Apple haters were dense but this is excessive.
  - piyush_soni 13y ago
    Really, I think the same. Comparing just a browser bookmark which doesn't always come in your way with an ever intrusive app and loving crapware just because it's from their loved company? I mean, I knew Apple fans are dense, but this is excessive.
eYsYs 13y ago
Well, I don't see any custom ROMs for iPhones. These are magnificent at times. CyanogenMod users know what I'm talking about.
- hexley 13y ago
  http://www.whited00r.com http://www.whited00r.com Prepare to be educated. Yes a lot of it is a hack but on half the supported phones CM isn't too much different really. At least the whited00r releases are stable and have consistent feature support over obsolete handsets.
netdog 13y ago
Samsung's customers are the carriers. The carrier asks Samsung for specific features or changes in the firmware build for the phones they buy from Samsung. Samsung satisfies their customer by giving them what they want. The carrier is who you should gripe for the firmware misfeatures which you don't like in their phones. But due to the monopoly situation, they don't have to care very much what their subscribers think.
gcb0 13y ago
Yes, i can't move the magazines crap to the 'garbage' folder. Also, i can't use amazon appstore or something like that. app store lock-in is the ultimate bloatware. Only place i really don't see bloatware is on my hacked HP touchpad. My only tablet until a month ago was a 32gb HP touchpad that I got from $199. On day one I installed android on it and helped with some the kernel tweaks. Now i'm just running cyanogenmod9 there. It is a blissful experience. Full control over browser. dumb webdeveloper used 8px and limited zoom? no problem, zoom anyway. dumb webdeveloper put in 1024px wide paragraph? no problem, zoom and double tab. Even the more hardcore lack of control: publisher limited a game for a specific device (fishlabs and sony experia deals for example). no problem, edit build.props, say you are that device and download. ...Then, last month work forced to expend lots and lots of time on a latest Ipad and a galaxy tab3. The galaxy tab is awful. shitty in every aspect. Only upside is that it have a IR blaster. I love those things. It is also pretty light. But then, the screen is crappier than anything i've ever used. just awful to look at. Then the ugly custom samsung skin just make it WORSE. they use twice the space for browser tabs for example. it's just idiotic. worst tablet experience in using a browser that one can have. Just do yourself a favor and get a generic chinese one instead. Also, it has the exact same performance as my old touchpad with one cpu for web rendering and movies. samsung really crapped all over this one. The latest ipad (apple sucks on that, can't even refer it to a number because i can't see any number on the device case or software... is that an ipad3?) has the most awesome screen. But it's heavy as hell and the corners cut your hands if you are trying to hold it to watch netflix in bed. If feels fast, and will probably be for anyone not slightly multitasking. Multitask is so crap that, I kid you not, changing tabs in the browser, or going back one page, results in a full redraw of the page, and sometimes a refresh of that page. For example, go to reddit or hackernews... scroll the page as you do when reading the index. Click on a link or open it in another tab. read that link. Press back or close the tab. The index page REFRESHES because it was probably out of memory or something. now you are at the index page, at the TOP! your scroll information is lost. And probably the items changed in the mean time. Totally shitty experience. Changing apps is even worse. Several apps 'restart' when you multitask. So, it's the perfect device if you ever use one app at a time and have a fully linear, one tab, browser usage pattern. I'm just very glad i have the touchpad. Wonder if a nexus tablet is as good... probably not.
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kriro 13y ago
Can you delete iOS ;P I own an S4 and if this policy stays it'll be the last Samsung phone I bought.
eonil 13y ago
I fully agree. Whatever craps on iPhone, that's Apple's problem (if exist...). Exactly like that, whatever craps on Galaxy, that's Samsung's problem. (also if exist).
thejosh 13y ago
For carriers, yes. Optus in Australia adds a lot of extra crud - default homepage, bookmarks, contacts into the iPhone, special categories in settings....
ankitml 13y ago
That might be an android problem! iOS doesnt allow but android does allow carriers to shit around.
gwu78 13y ago
Yes, I do. It's called "Share" where the only options are Facebook and Twitter. Why can't Apple let iOS users use the underlying universal, open protocols directly to do file transfers (data export) without installing a hodgepodge of third party apps which barely do the job? You could argue Pizza Hut is the only pizza that Galaxy users will ever need. You could also argue that posting to Facebook and Twitter are the only means of data export that iOS users will ever need. You could also make a fool of yourself by making such arguments.

I don't like it any more than you, but to Samsung and its investors, the undeletable Pizza Hut bookmark is a feature. Not only does it generate additional revenue with little additional design time, but it also indicates that Samsung has a healthy and attractive business in which other businesses would like to participate.

malandrew 13y ago
Upvoted because others downvoted this. Just because you are not happy with the truthiness captured by the comment is not a reason to downvote it.
differentView 13y ago
It also cheapens the brand.
- ihsw 13y ago
  Fuck brand, it's a middle finger to users.
baddox 13y ago
I agree with that, but it's still a Samsung problem.
bowlofpetunias 13y ago
Somehow I find it hard to interpret an undeletable Pizza Hut bookmark as a sign of a healthy business. It has the familiar smell of desperation to monetize everything. Unless of course Samsung is striving to be known as the Ryanair of consumer electronics.
- malandrew 13y ago
  We blame Samsung. Most users will just deal with it. Few and far between care enough about crapware to abandon a phone manufacturer over it (assuming they even blame Samsung for it at all). Marketing people from major companies use a Samsung phone and sees the bookmark will think "I wish our brand was there. How do we reach out to the carrier or Samsung to put our brand there as well?" a few weeks later in a meeting with a carrier or Samsung, "Yes, we can put a bookmark there for X dollars. However if you want it to be undeletable, you can pay 2X dollars" or "Pizza Hut is paying us 2X dollars for that and we don't want to put more than one there, so you need to outbid pizza hut for that spot." next step.... money rolling in.
  - mietek 13y ago
    Next step: http://i.imgur.com/Sptabbs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Sptabbs.jpg

malandrew 13y ago

Actually you do. Tell me again why I can't delete either Game Center, Stocks or other stock Apple apps on the iPhone.

criley2 13y ago
Features =/= Crapware Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. Game Center is like S Voice, a first part developed software that is billed as a "Feature". Apple has no equivalent to "Pizza Hut" bookmarks that can't be deleted, because they control their carrier relationships better than Samsung who is willing to give their partners the freedom to install and screw up what they want. Fortunately, Samsung is generally pretty good about letting us users have custom roms, which IMO trumps the Apple advantage for us power users. A custom rom > non-bloated default iOS, to me.
- onebaddude 13y ago
  >Features =/= Crapware "Feature" is just semantics, then. I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap.
  - zarify 13y ago
    Actually I think that post-Game Center games are much better behaved. Remember what it used to be like to OpenFeint and whatever the other one was that I don't remember the name of? That was far more obtrusive before Apple put in their own version and everyone started using that instead.
  - criley2 13y ago
    >I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap. I totally agree and Google's forced G+ integration with the newer G+ Games services is very frustarting too. No G+ I do not want your crappy me-too social network attached to my gaming apps. But as is generally the case, I imagine people will hate Apple and love Google for doing the same business practice...

dba7dba 13y ago

Samsung doesn't own OS like Apple does. Despite Samsung selling more phones than Apple, they don't have the clout like apple does.

TrevorJ 13y ago

Yes I do, it just comes from Apple themselves. There are several icons you can't get rid of on the iphone for apple products and services.

1qaz2wsx3edc 13y ago
True, but at least nothing from third parties
- kintamanimatt 13y ago
  What's the difference? Crapware is crapware no matter who the vendor is.
  - signa11 13y ago
    on a browser, would you rather go with suggestive ads by say google, or have google actually install an adbar that everyone under the sun can spam you with ?
r00fus 13y ago
They aren't blatant advertisements like the Pizza Hut link. There's quite a difference.
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]
carlosrg 13y ago
I hope you're trolling or joking. Comparing a Pizza Hut bookmark with iOS built-in apps, just wow. I mean, I knew Apple haters were dense but this is excessive.
- piyush_soni 13y ago
  Really, I think the same. Comparing just a browser bookmark which doesn't always come in your way with an ever intrusive app and loving crapware just because it's from their loved company? I mean, I knew Apple fans are dense, but this is excessive.

eYsYs 13y ago

Well, I don't see any custom ROMs for iPhones. These are magnificent at times. CyanogenMod users know what I'm talking about.

hexley 13y ago
http://www.whited00r.com http://www.whited00r.com Prepare to be educated. Yes a lot of it is a hack but on half the supported phones CM isn't too much different really. At least the whited00r releases are stable and have consistent feature support over obsolete handsets.

netdog 13y ago

Samsung's customers are the carriers. The carrier asks Samsung for specific features or changes in the firmware build for the phones they buy from Samsung. Samsung satisfies their customer by giving them what they want. The carrier is who you should gripe for the firmware misfeatures which you don't like in their phones. But due to the monopoly situation, they don't have to care very much what their subscribers think.

gcb0 13y ago

Yes, i can't move the magazines crap to the 'garbage' folder. Also, i can't use amazon appstore or something like that. app store lock-in is the ultimate bloatware. Only place i really don't see bloatware is on my hacked HP touchpad. My only tablet until a month ago was a 32gb HP touchpad that I got from $199. On day one I installed android on it and helped with some the kernel tweaks. Now i'm just running cyanogenmod9 there. It is a blissful experience. Full control over browser. dumb webdeveloper used 8px and limited zoom? no problem, zoom anyway. dumb webdeveloper put in 1024px wide paragraph? no problem, zoom and double tab. Even the more hardcore lack of control: publisher limited a game for a specific device (fishlabs and sony experia deals for example). no problem, edit build.props, say you are that device and download. ...Then, last month work forced to expend lots and lots of time on a latest Ipad and a galaxy tab3. The galaxy tab is awful. shitty in every aspect. Only upside is that it have a IR blaster. I love those things. It is also pretty light. But then, the screen is crappier than anything i've ever used. just awful to look at. Then the ugly custom samsung skin just make it WORSE. they use twice the space for browser tabs for example. it's just idiotic. worst tablet experience in using a browser that one can have. Just do yourself a favor and get a generic chinese one instead. Also, it has the exact same performance as my old touchpad with one cpu for web rendering and movies. samsung really crapped all over this one. The latest ipad (apple sucks on that, can't even refer it to a number because i can't see any number on the device case or software... is that an ipad3?) has the most awesome screen. But it's heavy as hell and the corners cut your hands if you are trying to hold it to watch netflix in bed. If feels fast, and will probably be for anyone not slightly multitasking. Multitask is so crap that, I kid you not, changing tabs in the browser, or going back one page, results in a full redraw of the page, and sometimes a refresh of that page. For example, go to reddit or hackernews... scroll the page as you do when reading the index. Click on a link or open it in another tab. read that link. Press back or close the tab. The index page REFRESHES because it was probably out of memory or something. now you are at the index page, at the TOP! your scroll information is lost. And probably the items changed in the mean time. Totally shitty experience. Changing apps is even worse. Several apps 'restart' when you multitask. So, it's the perfect device if you ever use one app at a time and have a fully linear, one tab, browser usage pattern. I'm just very glad i have the touchpad. Wonder if a nexus tablet is as good... probably not.

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kriro 13y ago

Can you delete iOS ;P I own an S4 and if this policy stays it'll be the last Samsung phone I bought.

eonil 13y ago

I fully agree. Whatever craps on iPhone, that's Apple's problem (if exist...). Exactly like that, whatever craps on Galaxy, that's Samsung's problem. (also if exist).

thejosh 13y ago

For carriers, yes. Optus in Australia adds a lot of extra crud - default homepage, bookmarks, contacts into the iPhone, special categories in settings....

ankitml 13y ago

That might be an android problem! iOS doesnt allow but android does allow carriers to shit around.

gwu78 13y ago

Yes, I do. It's called "Share" where the only options are Facebook and Twitter. Why can't Apple let iOS users use the underlying universal, open protocols directly to do file transfers (data export) without installing a hodgepodge of third party apps which barely do the job? You could argue Pizza Hut is the only pizza that Galaxy users will ever need. You could also argue that posting to Facebook and Twitter are the only means of data export that iOS users will ever need. You could also make a fool of yourself by making such arguments.