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>Our goal is not to match the crazy setup people do and spend hours to tweak. Installing CCCP is as easy as installing VLC and gives you better quality out of

by Daiz 13y ago

>Our goal is not to match the crazy setup people do and spend hours to tweak. Installing CCCP is as easy as installing VLC and gives you better quality out of the box. Installing and configuring madVR is an extra five-ten minutes of effort. Hardly a "crazy setup" that would require "hours of tweaking". There's also KCP which comes with madVR preconfigured, though CCCP offers better compatibility with a wider range of setups (which is why I personally recommend CCCP with madVR as a separate optional component on top of it). Also, at least in the previous version, 10-bit dithering was still lacking even with OpenGL output, as demonstrated here: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/32677 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/32677 I haven't been able to test if the situation has improved in the new version yet, though.

jbk 13y ago
We will have to agree to disagree. CCCP and madVR configuration is not a five-ten minutes of effort. Especially for most people. Not to mention the non-free licences... Last version, the matrix colors were wrong, as clearly explained on the release page, so it's soooo great to compare with it. And maybe, if you were not an asshole to us, we might be interested in listening to what you have to say. Until then, not so much.
- Daiz 13y ago
  >We will have to agree to disagree. CCCP and madVR configuration is not a five-ten minutes of effort. Especially for most people. CCCP requires no configuration. It just works. And I said that I recommend madVR as an optional component, since CCCP already provides high quality playback out of the box. I've been saying this for a good while now but you keep talking like I said madVR would be a must and use that as a basis to claim that VLC is "just simpler". Installation and basic configuration (the average user really doesn't need any more than that) madVR on top of that with a guide (and there are plenty) is five-ten minutes of effort, but as I said, it's not a necessity by any means. >Not to mention the non-free licences... All the playback components in CCCP are FOSS with the exception of Haali Media Splitter, which is more of a fallback at this point. I'm not really sure about the non-component parts (the installer and settings panel), though. madVR is proprietary, yes, but it also happens to be the most advanced video renderer in existence. Unless you subscribe to RMS' worldviews about proprietary software (in which case you wouldn't be using Windows to begin with), I don't see a reason not to use it if you have enough interest in high quality playback. >Last version, the matrix colors were wrong, as clearly explained on the release page, so it's soooo great to compare with it. We were talking about dithering though (which that comparison also demonstrates), so unless the matrix issue was directly linked to the dithering issues it's not really relevant (and I didn't mention it either). And as I already said, I haven't had the chance to compare the latest version properly yet. Also, chill down a bit, will you? While VLC likes to advertise itself to anime watchers, it's an audience that on average cares a lot more about high quality playback than many others. And if your "goal" is "not to match the crazy setup people do and spend hours to tweak", then why would you get upset when I point out that these "crazy" setups (that at their very basic level are as easy to install and use as VLC is) give better results?
  - jbk 13y ago
    > CCCP requires no configuration. But does not update... > FOSS with the exception of No comment... > We were talking about dithering though (which that comparison also demonstrates), so unless the matrix issue was directly linked to the dithering issues How do you do the dithering if it is not during the YUV->RGB conversions, aka the matrix? If it is not done there, it is done in swscale like all the other players... > Also, chill down a bit, will you? I am usually quite calm, as you can see on this thread or the reddit one. But I'm not to people like you, who are at the limits of insults (and not on this thread, I know). Once you plan to speak correctly, maybe we can talk in a calm down way.
    - Daiz 13y ago
      What do you mean by CCCP "not updating"? It got an automatic update checker last winter and is actively developed.
    - Daiz 13y ago
      >How do you do the dithering if it is not during the YUV->RGB conversions, aka the matrix? I thought you were referring solely to the fact that in the comparison I posted, the video was incorrectly converted with BT.601 instead of BT.709 on VLC's end. Anyway, I'm home now, which means I can properly compare stuff (at last). Dithering certainly seems to have improved since the last version and BT.709 is used as well. There's something weird going on, however - the colors in VLC appear slightly off for some reason (and it's clearly not the usual suspects of TV/PC levels or BT.601/BT.709): http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/42453 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/42453 Still, a notable improvement for sure.
      - jbk 13y ago
        This is very very far from the "haha, morons, 4K; morons, 10bits" comment you did... Sorry, but the color difference is very very slight (if even noticeable), and are you sure the issue is on the VLC side? Did you try mplayer2 and mpv?
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by Daiz 13y ago

jbk 13y ago

We will have to agree to disagree. CCCP and madVR configuration is not a five-ten minutes of effort. Especially for most people. Not to mention the non-free licences... Last version, the matrix colors were wrong, as clearly explained on the release page, so it's soooo great to compare with it. And maybe, if you were not an asshole to us, we might be interested in listening to what you have to say. Until then, not so much.

Daiz 13y ago
>We will have to agree to disagree. CCCP and madVR configuration is not a five-ten minutes of effort. Especially for most people. CCCP requires no configuration. It just works. And I said that I recommend madVR as an optional component, since CCCP already provides high quality playback out of the box. I've been saying this for a good while now but you keep talking like I said madVR would be a must and use that as a basis to claim that VLC is "just simpler". Installation and basic configuration (the average user really doesn't need any more than that) madVR on top of that with a guide (and there are plenty) is five-ten minutes of effort, but as I said, it's not a necessity by any means. >Not to mention the non-free licences... All the playback components in CCCP are FOSS with the exception of Haali Media Splitter, which is more of a fallback at this point. I'm not really sure about the non-component parts (the installer and settings panel), though. madVR is proprietary, yes, but it also happens to be the most advanced video renderer in existence. Unless you subscribe to RMS' worldviews about proprietary software (in which case you wouldn't be using Windows to begin with), I don't see a reason not to use it if you have enough interest in high quality playback. >Last version, the matrix colors were wrong, as clearly explained on the release page, so it's soooo great to compare with it. We were talking about dithering though (which that comparison also demonstrates), so unless the matrix issue was directly linked to the dithering issues it's not really relevant (and I didn't mention it either). And as I already said, I haven't had the chance to compare the latest version properly yet. Also, chill down a bit, will you? While VLC likes to advertise itself to anime watchers, it's an audience that on average cares a lot more about high quality playback than many others. And if your "goal" is "not to match the crazy setup people do and spend hours to tweak", then why would you get upset when I point out that these "crazy" setups (that at their very basic level are as easy to install and use as VLC is) give better results?
- jbk 13y ago
  > CCCP requires no configuration. But does not update... > FOSS with the exception of No comment... > We were talking about dithering though (which that comparison also demonstrates), so unless the matrix issue was directly linked to the dithering issues How do you do the dithering if it is not during the YUV->RGB conversions, aka the matrix? If it is not done there, it is done in swscale like all the other players... > Also, chill down a bit, will you? I am usually quite calm, as you can see on this thread or the reddit one. But I'm not to people like you, who are at the limits of insults (and not on this thread, I know). Once you plan to speak correctly, maybe we can talk in a calm down way.
  - Daiz 13y ago
    What do you mean by CCCP "not updating"? It got an automatic update checker last winter and is actively developed.
  - Daiz 13y ago
    >How do you do the dithering if it is not during the YUV->RGB conversions, aka the matrix? I thought you were referring solely to the fact that in the comparison I posted, the video was incorrectly converted with BT.601 instead of BT.709 on VLC's end. Anyway, I'm home now, which means I can properly compare stuff (at last). Dithering certainly seems to have improved since the last version and BT.709 is used as well. There's something weird going on, however - the colors in VLC appear slightly off for some reason (and it's clearly not the usual suspects of TV/PC levels or BT.601/BT.709): http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/42453 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/42453 Still, a notable improvement for sure.
    - jbk 13y ago
      This is very very far from the "haha, morons, 4K; morons, 10bits" comment you did... Sorry, but the color difference is very very slight (if even noticeable), and are you sure the issue is on the VLC side? Did you try mplayer2 and mpv?
      - 13y ago