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I don't understand. What exactly are you saying is not true : 1) islam is a system of laws 2) those laws include slavery 3) people who are fighting to introdu
by waps 13y ago
I don't understand. What exactly are you saying is not true :
1) islam is a system of laws
2) those laws include slavery
3) people who are fighting to introduce those laws to society are reintroducing legal slavery
4) the muslim world is the major hotbet of slavery
Copious evidence for all claims is easy to come by. Start with :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery
And if you want to hear it from an imam:
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/94840 http://www.islam-qa.com/en/94840
(note that many of the "advantages" slaves had are the exact same as they had in the Roman Empire. An owner, for example, would generally treat his own educated slaves better than fellow free men)
If you want to be completely horrified by this site, just read the category
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/cat/362 http://www.islam-qa.com/en/cat/362
Some examples, and the TLDR
"Islam and slavery" (TLDR: taking slaves is allowed "in war" and buying them and kidnapping them. There are lots of rules about slaves)
"Intercourse with female prisoners of war." (TLDR: allowed for men)
"What is the ruling on intimacy with slave women?" (TLDR: allowed for men)
"Intercourse with a slave woman is not regarded as zina (adultery)" (TLDR: true, provided certain conditions are met. Also: A muslim man fucking a non-muslim woman is perfectly OK if not done in an islamic country, because any muslim is at war with everyone outside of muslim countries) (note how he squirms to avoid saying what the ruling is on muslims living in non-muslim nations. Why ? Because that's punishable by death, except for soldiers and -maybe- ambassadors. Where do you live ?)
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Your "evidence" that this is not true, is, as I read it :
a) 1/3rd of the world follows islam (in reality, it's probably between 1/5th and 1/6th)
b) "no-one wakes with knives searching for slaves to kill" (that's not allowed, btw, you have to buy them first)
c) Winston Churchill is a hypocrit with often similar socialist eugenic standpoints as the people he fought -> not a surprise to anyone who knows a smitten of history. Nobody denies he was a keen observer and a very effective leader either.
- kamaal 13y agoThe problem in Qatar is vastly the exploitation of poor, by the rich. Which is hardly any different than situations in certain parts of China, India, North Korea and where not? I'm pretty darn sure you don't talk about religion of people who commit suicides in those Foxconn factories. I don't know what agenda you hold in continually dragging Islam into all this.
- sampk 13y agoWe don't talk about their religion because their religion doesn't encourage slavery, obviously.
- polymatter 13y agoNo religion doesn't have something that Western society doesn't have moral difficulty with. Christianity has a load of crap about stoning people, homophobia and subjugation of women for a start. Also includes God sanctioned rape and murder of non-Christians. Leviticus, Exodus and Deuteronomy is full of that crap.
- cmdkeen 13y agoExcept Christianity broadly doesn't believe in the Bible being the literal word of God and thus all of those rules applying now - and no country accepts it as their view of Christianity. Biblical infallibility is a modern, revivalist concept. Even during the good old days of the Mediaeval Church no-one stoned adulterers. No Christian country has laws stoning people on the basis of "it's in the Bible". However it is the law in many Muslim countries. That's the problem. Christianity is a religion that has had philosophy and interpretation bedded in from the off. US revivalists may ignore that rich history but it is a minority. Islam lost that argument many centuries ago, before which it led the world in scientific discovery and culture, now only a few, oppressed, sects think that way.
- aldous 13y agoA valuable point worth noting in relation to this is the fact that Jesus, in the new testament, specifically dismisses such practices as stoning: John 8:7. “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/let_him_who_is_without_sin_cast_the_first_stone http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/let_him_who_is_without_sin_cas... It is one of the central tenets of Christian faith that one should not judge others. Quotes attributed to Jesus explicitly state this many times in the new testament.
- flumbaps 13y agoIslam isn't a system of laws, it's a religion. Like all organised religions, what's written in its holy books is of far less practical importance than what is preached by its leaders. Adherents don't read and figure out for themselves, they follow what they are told the books say. Like most religious leaders, the Islamic holy men tend to preach what is convenient to them. The fact that the religion is Islam isn't of particular note. It wasn't so long ago that American Christian leaders preached that God condoned slavery. You might explain this by talking about different branches of Christianity, and likewise there are different interpretations of Islam too. But really, I think that unless a religion actively encourages a practical pursuit of self-enlightenment (e.g. Buddhism, Taoism, spiritual Yoga), then it is nothing more than a system of control. Ultimately the important thing is how corrupt the leaders are. Think of it this way, if there were no courts and no defence lawyers and no-one ever bothered to read the legal statutes for themselves, then would the actual text of the law mean anything? Or wouldn't it rather be that, in application, the law would tend serve the interests of the police?
- seivan 13y agoIt's a political power.
- waps 13y ago"Islam isn't a system of laws" Really ? Have you ever -even once- asked a muslim this ? Seriously ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
- marrs 13y agoIslam isn't a system of laws. Sharia is not Islam. I'm pretty amazed that I've just read this thread, to be honest.
- flumbaps 13y agoSharia is the laws OF Islam. Sharia is not equal to Islam. Set A contains set B. Set A is not equal to set B. You might as well say that Christianity is the ten commandments, Judaism is the halakhah and Atheism is the American Atheists’ conference code of conduct.