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From the point-of-view of a web developer, JSP is virtually invisible. For this reason, I guess the majority of online tech magazine readers, who would presumab

From the point-of-view of a web developer, JSP is virtually invisible. For this reason, I guess the majority of online tech magazine readers, who would presumably be mostly ninjas, pirates and rockstars, would think of Java as dead. I mean, it's a bit outdated as a language, definitely showing some signs of strain, but it's still not dead - for better or worse. I've yet to come across a more human-readable language, barring COBOL.

SeanDav 13y ago
For readability nothing beats BASIC. I sometimes wish that BASIC had taken off rather than being allocated to niche environments like VBA etc. It just wasn't powerful enough and in order to make it more powerful it was kind of bastardized into something almost unrecognisable form its origins.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > For readability nothing beats BASIC. For readability, structured/OO/etc. languages that don't use particular terse basic constructs (e.g., idiomatic Pascal, Python, or Ruby, but generally not C/C++) beat BASIC hands down; structured and OO descendants of BASIC are pretty much in the same readability level as other mainstream non-terse structured and OO langauges.
unclebucknasty 13y ago
>From the point-of-view of a web developer, JSP is virtually invisible. By "invisible", do you mean that webapps that use JSP typically use URL mapping so that you never see the .jsp extension? If not, then I'm not sure I get your meaning. >I've yet to come across a more human-readable language... Yeah, I think its readability leads to a verbosity that is, ironically, the source of some complaints about Java. But, Java kind of embraces that verbosity to some extent. I've even seen style "standards" that discourage the use of language "shortcuts" because they are believed to decrease readability.
- James_Duval 13y ago
  > By "invisible", do you mean that webapps that use JSP typically use URL mapping so that you never see the .jsp extension? If not, then I'm not sure I get your meaning. Oh, I just meant that JSP is never, ever mentioned in any mainstream web development magazine - it's absent from discussion, not practice. Back-end programming seems to be exclusively PHP/ROR if I go from what I read on web dev blogs, forums and news sources. I may simply be reading the wrong sources, of course.

SeanDav 13y ago

For readability nothing beats BASIC. I sometimes wish that BASIC had taken off rather than being allocated to niche environments like VBA etc. It just wasn't powerful enough and in order to make it more powerful it was kind of bastardized into something almost unrecognisable form its origins.

dragonwriter 13y ago
> For readability nothing beats BASIC. For readability, structured/OO/etc. languages that don't use particular terse basic constructs (e.g., idiomatic Pascal, Python, or Ruby, but generally not C/C++) beat BASIC hands down; structured and OO descendants of BASIC are pretty much in the same readability level as other mainstream non-terse structured and OO langauges.

unclebucknasty 13y ago

>From the point-of-view of a web developer, JSP is virtually invisible. By "invisible", do you mean that webapps that use JSP typically use URL mapping so that you never see the .jsp extension? If not, then I'm not sure I get your meaning. >I've yet to come across a more human-readable language... Yeah, I think its readability leads to a verbosity that is, ironically, the source of some complaints about Java. But, Java kind of embraces that verbosity to some extent. I've even seen style "standards" that discourage the use of language "shortcuts" because they are believed to decrease readability.

James_Duval 13y ago
> By "invisible", do you mean that webapps that use JSP typically use URL mapping so that you never see the .jsp extension? If not, then I'm not sure I get your meaning. Oh, I just meant that JSP is never, ever mentioned in any mainstream web development magazine - it's absent from discussion, not practice. Back-end programming seems to be exclusively PHP/ROR if I go from what I read on web dev blogs, forums and news sources. I may simply be reading the wrong sources, of course.