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He is not bashing Java per SE but a special kind of Java: Enterprise Java and IMO that deserves a bashing on general principle. Enterprise Java just never seems

• Uchikoma 13y ago
  He was bashing a programming language - you call it Enterprise Java - for laughs and karma, not seeing languages as tools you can use based on your judgement. I hope we once will grow beyond bashing. [Edit] And this is the highest voted comment on a thread about how cool GTA V is to include programming references and how deep their open world is.
• pjmlp 13y ago
  HN youngers of today like to bash Enterprise Java, whereas the old guys already have their share of scares from: Enterprise Clipper Enterprise C Enterprise C++ Enterprise Perl Enterprise TCL Enterprise insert language here You just need to let the enterprise architects loose...
  • FuzzyDunlop 13y ago
    I'm probably young enough to have experienced Enterprise PHP, which by all accounts (at least when Symfony2 was just released) seemed like the love-child of Enterprise C++ and Enterprise Java.
• breckinloggins 13y ago
  I don't know if that pun was intentional, but if it was it's absolutely fantastic. So as to remain on topic: I agree with you but the other side of the coin is that Java the language can't seem to live down Java EE and its culture. It's trying, though. I give particular kudos to the Clojure and Scala communities for helping to rebrand the JVM as something awesome independent of Java. That helped me, at least, to realize that I shouldn't conflate the two in my head. The only stumbling block I have to get around in my head now when I think JVM is "JVM == long startup times", which is still kinda true but nowhere near as bad as it was.