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Jeez! I can't believe the number of HN folks - people waaay above the average Internet commenting monkeys and nutjobs - attacking the messenger while completely

by r0h1n 13y ago

Jeez! I can't believe the number of HN folks - people waaay above the average Internet commenting monkeys and nutjobs - attacking the messenger while completely missing the message. Heck if all Rousseff said was just these two sentences, I'd still applaud her: > A sovereign nation can never establish itself to the detriment of another sovereign nation. The right to safety of citizens of one country can never be guaranteed by violating fundamental human rights of citizens of another country.

justinmk 13y ago
> A sovereign nation can never establish itself to the detriment of another sovereign nation. The right to safety of citizens of one country can never be guaranteed by violating fundamental human rights of citizens of another country. Now just apply that logic to individuals, and you'll be called a nutjob libertarian.
znowi 13y ago
> Jeez! I can't believe... I concur. > attacking the messenger while completely missing the message Yes, but who cares about some president of some South American former colony? Obviously a shady individual. If it was, say, Chancellor of Germany, now that's a serious matter and human rights are at stake :)
calibraxis 13y ago
Yes, it's just a common view among US's elites; one poster called her, "Just another populist in South America". There's a context behind this. The article mentioned, "She was imprisoned and tortured for her role in a guerilla movement opposed to Brazil's military dictatorship in the 1970s." The US supported the 1964 military coup, which put in place the Nazi-like security state which tortured her. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#American_involvement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27%C3%A9t...) (And there's dissident lit from people who lived through these times, pointing out the domino effect this had for US intervention against other Latin American countries, emboldened by our success against Brazil. http://www.chomsky.info/talks/19850319.htm http://www.chomsky.info/talks/19850319.htm)

by r0h1n 13y ago

justinmk 13y ago

> A sovereign nation can never establish itself to the detriment of another sovereign nation. The right to safety of citizens of one country can never be guaranteed by violating fundamental human rights of citizens of another country. Now just apply that logic to individuals, and you'll be called a nutjob libertarian.

znowi 13y ago

> Jeez! I can't believe... I concur. > attacking the messenger while completely missing the message Yes, but who cares about some president of some South American former colony? Obviously a shady individual. If it was, say, Chancellor of Germany, now that's a serious matter and human rights are at stake :)

calibraxis 13y ago

Yes, it's just a common view among US's elites; one poster called her, "Just another populist in South America". There's a context behind this. The article mentioned, "She was imprisoned and tortured for her role in a guerilla movement opposed to Brazil's military dictatorship in the 1970s." The US supported the 1964 military coup, which put in place the Nazi-like security state which tortured her. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#American_involvement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27%C3%A9t...) (And there's dissident lit from people who lived through these times, pointing out the domino effect this had for US intervention against other Latin American countries, emboldened by our success against Brazil. http://www.chomsky.info/talks/19850319.htm http://www.chomsky.info/talks/19850319.htm)