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Did you factor in the risk of dying when you made this decision? This kid is naive.

by yeahrightoak 13y ago

alaskamiller 13y ago
Yeah, folks, living and working in Oakland is literally a death sentence. Don't come here.
- tfigueroa 13y ago
  Indeed - my colleagues and I, here at Pandora, are murdered here regularly. But that's what happens when you try to run a tech company here.
iancmyers 13y ago
Risk of dying? Have you even been to Oakland? The area around Jack London Square is just as safe, if not safer than many of the parts of SOMA where startups setup shop.
mmanfrin 13y ago
Do you know anything about the crime in Oakland beyond the superficial 'oh man there is a lot of crime in Oakland!'? Most of the crime is isolated to a few specific areas. You realize there's a lot of crime in SF, too, right? And that crime is concentrated in the areas where a lot of startups have their offices (e.g. the Fidi). Do you factor that in to your search when you look for a job in the City?
- cadwag 13y ago
  New user + clear flamebait = obvious troll. Let's not go about feeding them unnecessarily. Just downvote and move along. The lack of responses would hurt way more than any clear appeals to logic, I assure you.
dllthomas 13y ago
That depends greatly on where in Oakland.
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jessepollak 13y ago
Yeah, you're naive. Yes, there are slightly more violent crimes in Oakland than San Francisco (and there's more property crime in San Frnacisco)[1], but on the whole they are pretty equivalent in terms of safety; especially if you stick to the 'nicer' areas of both. [1] http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Crime-up-in-Oakland-much-of-Bay-Area-4573391.php http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Crime-up-in-Oakland-much...
- robbyking 13y ago
  Oakland has the 3rd highest violent crime rate per capita in the country: http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-cities-in-america-2013-6?op=1 http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-cities-in-amer... And according to the link you posted, Oakland has less than half the population of San Francisco, but 37% more violent crime.
  - dllthomas 13y ago
    Parts of Oakland are terrible, but Oakland is flippin' huge.
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yapcguy 13y ago
Why the downvotes for the poster? Most of San Francisco is safe, with just one or two neighborhoods being dodgy. Most of Oakland is unsafe, with just one or two neighborhoods being safe. Oakland is one of the most dangerous cities in the USA. Just because you live there and haven't been gunned down yet, doesn't mean it's not happening to many other people. It's literally your life, so do your own research and don't listen to me or anybody else.
- smtddr 13y ago
  Please HN'ers, ignore these people. These comments have confirmed a pattern I've been seeing on various websites' comment-section. <BIGconspiracyhat> Any attempts to show Oakland, Africa or African-americans in any kind of positive light or as victims will always, _ALWAYS_, get troll'ish/meta/hyper-pedantic comments that derail the main topic and/or meaningful discourse of the subject at hand, completely blowing up the comment threads. It works well on places like HN because almost everyone here likes to debate & discuss. But their arguments will become so spacious that you'll need 5 screen-lengths to debate with them and thus ruining the comments for anyone else who actually wanted to talk about the article. </BIGconspiracyhat> Please let's ignore these guys. We know they're wrong, no point debating with them. We'll never convince them and the comments will get bloated with arguments back-in-forth about crime stats, someone will eventually use the "R" word and then BOOM, all meaningful discussion nullified by 5+ pages of of debate about some non-significant detail. Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6365495 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6365495 NOTE: An idea for the comment section, a way for users to flag a thread as "superfluous". If it gets enough of these, the whole thread is moved off to a small link on the side labeled "Superfluous thread started by $USER" where clicking on it give you a little scrollable window to view it and easily dismiss it when you're satisfied the thread had no real value. Perhaps each user's profile even shows how many superfluous threads were credited to him/her.
  - yapcguy 13y ago
    This is about Oakland, why bring race into it? If the original poster had moved his startup to Stockton, we would be having the same conversation.
tjbiddle 13y ago
You're getting downvotes because of how you phrased your comment - but the base point is still there. I've driven to Oakland once, and it was to pick up a friend after he missed a connection on BART - Within that 30 minute window of me driving to pick him up he was nearly mugged by a group of 3, jumped in a black windowless van as an escape route - and somehow managed to have that driver be an ex-taxi driver who noticed he was in trouble. There's obviously some more dangerous, and some safer areas of the city - but it's still known as having an extremely high crime rate.

Did you factor in the risk of dying when you made this decision? This kid is naive.

alaskamiller 13y ago

Yeah, folks, living and working in Oakland is literally a death sentence. Don't come here.

tfigueroa 13y ago
Indeed - my colleagues and I, here at Pandora, are murdered here regularly. But that's what happens when you try to run a tech company here.

iancmyers 13y ago

Risk of dying? Have you even been to Oakland? The area around Jack London Square is just as safe, if not safer than many of the parts of SOMA where startups setup shop.

mmanfrin 13y ago

Do you know anything about the crime in Oakland beyond the superficial 'oh man there is a lot of crime in Oakland!'? Most of the crime is isolated to a few specific areas. You realize there's a lot of crime in SF, too, right? And that crime is concentrated in the areas where a lot of startups have their offices (e.g. the Fidi). Do you factor that in to your search when you look for a job in the City?

cadwag 13y ago
New user + clear flamebait = obvious troll. Let's not go about feeding them unnecessarily. Just downvote and move along. The lack of responses would hurt way more than any clear appeals to logic, I assure you.

dllthomas 13y ago

That depends greatly on where in Oakland.

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jessepollak 13y ago

Yeah, you're naive. Yes, there are slightly more violent crimes in Oakland than San Francisco (and there's more property crime in San Frnacisco)[1], but on the whole they are pretty equivalent in terms of safety; especially if you stick to the 'nicer' areas of both. [1] http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Crime-up-in-Oakland-much-of-Bay-Area-4573391.php http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Crime-up-in-Oakland-much...

robbyking 13y ago
Oakland has the 3rd highest violent crime rate per capita in the country: http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-cities-in-america-2013-6?op=1 http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-cities-in-amer... And according to the link you posted, Oakland has less than half the population of San Francisco, but 37% more violent crime.
- dllthomas 13y ago
  Parts of Oakland are terrible, but Oakland is flippin' huge.
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yapcguy 13y ago

Why the downvotes for the poster? Most of San Francisco is safe, with just one or two neighborhoods being dodgy. Most of Oakland is unsafe, with just one or two neighborhoods being safe. Oakland is one of the most dangerous cities in the USA. Just because you live there and haven't been gunned down yet, doesn't mean it's not happening to many other people. It's literally your life, so do your own research and don't listen to me or anybody else.

smtddr 13y ago
Please HN'ers, ignore these people. These comments have confirmed a pattern I've been seeing on various websites' comment-section. <BIGconspiracyhat> Any attempts to show Oakland, Africa or African-americans in any kind of positive light or as victims will always, _ALWAYS_, get troll'ish/meta/hyper-pedantic comments that derail the main topic and/or meaningful discourse of the subject at hand, completely blowing up the comment threads. It works well on places like HN because almost everyone here likes to debate & discuss. But their arguments will become so spacious that you'll need 5 screen-lengths to debate with them and thus ruining the comments for anyone else who actually wanted to talk about the article. </BIGconspiracyhat> Please let's ignore these guys. We know they're wrong, no point debating with them. We'll never convince them and the comments will get bloated with arguments back-in-forth about crime stats, someone will eventually use the "R" word and then BOOM, all meaningful discussion nullified by 5+ pages of of debate about some non-significant detail. Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6365495 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6365495 NOTE: An idea for the comment section, a way for users to flag a thread as "superfluous". If it gets enough of these, the whole thread is moved off to a small link on the side labeled "Superfluous thread started by $USER" where clicking on it give you a little scrollable window to view it and easily dismiss it when you're satisfied the thread had no real value. Perhaps each user's profile even shows how many superfluous threads were credited to him/her.
- yapcguy 13y ago
  This is about Oakland, why bring race into it? If the original poster had moved his startup to Stockton, we would be having the same conversation.

tjbiddle 13y ago

You're getting downvotes because of how you phrased your comment - but the base point is still there. I've driven to Oakland once, and it was to pick up a friend after he missed a connection on BART - Within that 30 minute window of me driving to pick him up he was nearly mugged by a group of 3, jumped in a black windowless van as an escape route - and somehow managed to have that driver be an ex-taxi driver who noticed he was in trouble. There's obviously some more dangerous, and some safer areas of the city - but it's still known as having an extremely high crime rate.