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I feel like you are moving the posts again to support your argument. ... An electrician's job is deeply rooted in the research done by physicist and electrical

by Zimahl 13y ago

I feel like you are moving the posts again to support your argument. ... An electrician's job is deeply rooted in the research done by physicist and electrical engineers, so why does it not count? Moving the posts? The posts for this entire argument start and end with college. You can't argue that college is worth it for a profession if a college doesn't teach the profession to begin with. So, if one were to become an electrician is college worth it? No. If one were to become a physicist or electrical engineer, that is the question. Agriculture comes to mind as a university accredited program, and while I'm sure it can be useful, you do not need a degree in agriculture to be a successful farmer. The degree from universities for agriculture is typically more of an agri-business degree. No, you probably don't need it to farm and be successful. But, once again, to the root of the article, is college worth it to gain some insight into the business of agriculture? Speaking of electrical engineering, there was an article in a national newspaper a month or two ago about the top jobs (pay wise) for people without degrees, and electrical engineer was near the top of the list. Programming and IT work did not even make the cut at all. It's hard to comment on the validity of an article without a link. I find it hard to believe that many people could get their foot in the door without a degree. I assume you are remembering incorrectly and the job was electrician since that is typically a top non-degree profession.

randomdata 13y ago
> You can't argue that college is worth it for a profession if a college doesn't teach the profession to begin with. I disagree. There is a lot of indication that we already have more people with degrees than jobs that require degrees (in all variations of the word require). If you are going to promote the value of eduction, you have to think about what those people are actually going to be doing with that education once they leave academia. It is not simply a matter of: Have degree in basket weaving = weaving basket career. > But, once again, to the root of the article, is college worth it to gain some insight into the business of agriculture? It very well might be worth it, but that is a long way from saying it is required, which is the context of this discussion. > I find it hard to believe that many people could get their foot in the door without a degree. Given that electrical "engineering" (i.e. you won't become a PE) is taught at the community college level, I'm not sure why you would think that way. Clearly there is a demand for people in this sector without the college education and degree that goes with it.
- Zimahl 13y ago
  It very well might be worth it Therefore, you answered the question of 'Is College Worth It?'. It is, for some professions. Thank you for agreeing with me. Given that electrical "engineering" (i.e. you won't become a PE) is taught at the community college level, I'm not sure why you would think that way. Clearly there is a demand for people in this sector without the college education and degree that goes with it. Is community college not college? Are associate degrees not degrees? Hence, you'd still need a professional education to get your foot in the door. but that is a long way from saying it is required, which is the context of this discussion. At no point did I, nor the article, argue that degrees should be required for any specific profession. I'm having trouble arguing with someone that doesn't understand what is being argued in the first place. At this point I think you are simply trolling so I bid you good day.

by Zimahl 13y ago

randomdata 13y ago

> You can't argue that college is worth it for a profession if a college doesn't teach the profession to begin with. I disagree. There is a lot of indication that we already have more people with degrees than jobs that require degrees (in all variations of the word require). If you are going to promote the value of eduction, you have to think about what those people are actually going to be doing with that education once they leave academia. It is not simply a matter of: Have degree in basket weaving = weaving basket career. > But, once again, to the root of the article, is college worth it to gain some insight into the business of agriculture? It very well might be worth it, but that is a long way from saying it is required, which is the context of this discussion. > I find it hard to believe that many people could get their foot in the door without a degree. Given that electrical "engineering" (i.e. you won't become a PE) is taught at the community college level, I'm not sure why you would think that way. Clearly there is a demand for people in this sector without the college education and degree that goes with it.

Zimahl 13y ago
It very well might be worth it Therefore, you answered the question of 'Is College Worth It?'. It is, for some professions. Thank you for agreeing with me. Given that electrical "engineering" (i.e. you won't become a PE) is taught at the community college level, I'm not sure why you would think that way. Clearly there is a demand for people in this sector without the college education and degree that goes with it. Is community college not college? Are associate degrees not degrees? Hence, you'd still need a professional education to get your foot in the door. but that is a long way from saying it is required, which is the context of this discussion. At no point did I, nor the article, argue that degrees should be required for any specific profession. I'm having trouble arguing with someone that doesn't understand what is being argued in the first place. At this point I think you are simply trolling so I bid you good day.