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"... Who would also like more info about items in the item bodies of news.YC's rss feed? ..." Done but in xml format ~ http://goonmail.customer.netspace.net.a

"... Who would also like more info about items in the item bodies of news.YC's rss feed? ..." Done but in xml format ~ http://goonmail.customer.netspace.net.au/hackerid/xml/hackerid.xml http://goonmail.customer.netspace.net.au/hackerid/xml/hacker... (from http://goonmail.customer.netspace.net.au/hackerid/ http://goonmail.customer.netspace.net.au/hackerid/) Now the question is how would you represent this structured data in the RSS? If you can define it I'll make it.

rms 19y ago
"This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License." Do you have the rights to do that? News.yc has absolutely no terms of service so I presume that you would need to get individual permission from each user to freely license the titles they wrote.
- bootload 19y ago
  "... Do you have the rights to do that? ..." I've collected it, stored it. I have the right to 'infer, think, collect, evaluate and express'. So what would you reckon I license it? "... News.yc has absolutely no terms of service so I presume that you would need to get individual permission from each user to freely license the titles they wrote. ..." Good point. Do you think google get/need permission to extract titles? Do you think companies that trawl the web and re-license search content ask individual permission? I certainly wouldn't like to release any data without some sort of license. What about default to "None (All rights reserved)". But that's an explicitly lame and certainly not about sharing of data. I'm not here to antagonise people here just to supply some data. What do you suggest? The reason i collect the stuff is for personal (not professional) curiosity. The thought behind licensing the data feed I collect was done so that you are free to: A) To Share: to copy, distribute and transmit the work B) To Remix: to adapt the work C) Attribution: You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work). And can be found at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/au/ http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/au/ The intent is not to restrict but to give attribution, share and remix. It would be good it individual users could choose their license. But at the moment there is none.
  - rms 19y ago
    >Do you think google get/need permission to extract titles? No, but I don't think they are relicensing anything, they are just publishing it and in a way that should be allowed for by fair use. I'm not antagonized at all by your use of this data as such; I think it's a very reasonable fair use for you to make this collection of data -- but I don't think you can relicense anything under CC that is derived from something with standard copyright. Copyright doesn't allow for derived works. If I put up a block of unlicensed code that I wrote on my personal website, it would be inappropriate for someone to incorporate that code into any copylefted software because without any other license that code I wrote is automatically copyrighted in the USA.
    - bootload 19y ago
      "... but I don't think you can relicense anything under CC that is derived from something with standard copyright. ..." Ok, I'll look into this. I certainly will be licensing my individual XML submissions how I like. Maybe what I should do is add another field in the XML submission field, license? So each added submission can be individually licensed by default "All Rights Reserved" by default without explicit authorisation of a submitter.
      - rms 19y ago
        All Rights Reserved definitely works
        bootload 19y ago
        Ok I'll be doing that. Thanks for the heads up RMS. I see no problems doing this at all.
adrianwaj 19y ago
Nice work bootload, if you could create a feed with stated information in post and let people know how you did that - would be great.
- bootload 19y ago
  Ok, I'll have a hack at it. From this ... <user>rms</user> <inception>226 days ago</inception> <karma>1622</karma> <item>63912</item> <title>Aaron Swartz: How to Get a Job Like Mine</title> <url>http://aaronsw.jottit.com/howtoget</url> <points>62</points> <comments>30</comments> <posted>1 day</posted> to something like this ... <item> <title>Aaron Swartz: How to Get a Job Like Mine</title> <link>http://aaronsw.jottit.com/howtoget</link> <description>rms (1622 karma|226 days ago) 62 points,30 comments,1 day ago.</description> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2003 09:39:21 GMT</pubDate> <guid>http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=63912</guid> </item> I'll see how I go. Then the only real value added compared to the current RSS file is - mine is delayed (I read the RSS file at the moment) - it breaks down the useful readable facts - has an associated XML data file - probably buggier :) Sort of why I didn't bother doing an RSS feed in the first place, xml is much richer to digest.
  - adrianwaj 19y ago
    Good onya mate

rms 19y ago

"This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License." Do you have the rights to do that? News.yc has absolutely no terms of service so I presume that you would need to get individual permission from each user to freely license the titles they wrote.

bootload 19y ago
"... Do you have the rights to do that? ..." I've collected it, stored it. I have the right to 'infer, think, collect, evaluate and express'. So what would you reckon I license it? "... News.yc has absolutely no terms of service so I presume that you would need to get individual permission from each user to freely license the titles they wrote. ..." Good point. Do you think google get/need permission to extract titles? Do you think companies that trawl the web and re-license search content ask individual permission? I certainly wouldn't like to release any data without some sort of license. What about default to "None (All rights reserved)". But that's an explicitly lame and certainly not about sharing of data. I'm not here to antagonise people here just to supply some data. What do you suggest? The reason i collect the stuff is for personal (not professional) curiosity. The thought behind licensing the data feed I collect was done so that you are free to: A) To Share: to copy, distribute and transmit the work B) To Remix: to adapt the work C) Attribution: You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work). And can be found at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/au/ http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/au/ The intent is not to restrict but to give attribution, share and remix. It would be good it individual users could choose their license. But at the moment there is none.
- rms 19y ago
  >Do you think google get/need permission to extract titles? No, but I don't think they are relicensing anything, they are just publishing it and in a way that should be allowed for by fair use. I'm not antagonized at all by your use of this data as such; I think it's a very reasonable fair use for you to make this collection of data -- but I don't think you can relicense anything under CC that is derived from something with standard copyright. Copyright doesn't allow for derived works. If I put up a block of unlicensed code that I wrote on my personal website, it would be inappropriate for someone to incorporate that code into any copylefted software because without any other license that code I wrote is automatically copyrighted in the USA.
  - bootload 19y ago
    "... but I don't think you can relicense anything under CC that is derived from something with standard copyright. ..." Ok, I'll look into this. I certainly will be licensing my individual XML submissions how I like. Maybe what I should do is add another field in the XML submission field, license? So each added submission can be individually licensed by default "All Rights Reserved" by default without explicit authorisation of a submitter.
    - rms 19y ago
      All Rights Reserved definitely works
      - bootload 19y ago
        Ok I'll be doing that. Thanks for the heads up RMS. I see no problems doing this at all.

adrianwaj 19y ago

Nice work bootload, if you could create a feed with stated information in post and let people know how you did that - would be great.

bootload 19y ago
Ok, I'll have a hack at it. From this ... <user>rms</user> <inception>226 days ago</inception> <karma>1622</karma> <item>63912</item> <title>Aaron Swartz: How to Get a Job Like Mine</title> <url>http://aaronsw.jottit.com/howtoget</url> <points>62</points> <comments>30</comments> <posted>1 day</posted> to something like this ... <item> <title>Aaron Swartz: How to Get a Job Like Mine</title> <link>http://aaronsw.jottit.com/howtoget</link> <description>rms (1622 karma|226 days ago) 62 points,30 comments,1 day ago.</description> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2003 09:39:21 GMT</pubDate> <guid>http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=63912</guid> </item> I'll see how I go. Then the only real value added compared to the current RSS file is - mine is delayed (I read the RSS file at the moment) - it breaks down the useful readable facts - has an associated XML data file - probably buggier :) Sort of why I didn't bother doing an RSS feed in the first place, xml is much richer to digest.
- adrianwaj 19y ago
  Good onya mate