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I am tired of that people equal introverts == intelligence and extroversion == ordinary. Have you actually bothered to learn any type classification system like

I am tired of that people equal introverts == intelligence and extroversion == ordinary. Have you actually bothered to learn any type classification system like MBTI or Jungs theories? If you had (have?) then you know that extraversion and introversion are simply attitudes(positions) of any cognitive function and they can be rougly translated as objective or subjective position. Take me, i get ENTJ ( dominate function: Extroverted Thinking ) on a typical test and i identify with William. Based on the text i guess William also is an TE dom or aux (auxillary function). This is because TE (Extroverted Thinking) is interested in knowing and structuring the world. Example is when William lead his mates for plays, what i know an TI (Introverted thinker) would Not have done so. Also William reads lots of facts, history books. He is interested in widening his Knowledge before his Understanding, an Ti is interested in understanding first. Ti are more the classical intelligence loners, that is because they focus on structuring their thoughts and internal models, a Te measures and structures the world. Overall your post is very biased and uninformed. "extroversion" could be any of: extroverted thinking ( Archetype: General, CEO, Scientist (because Te is interested in measurements and result in the real world) ), extroverted intuition ( Archetype: Eccentric millionaire, eccentric professor, inventor), extroverted feeling ( Archetype: great writers, psychologies, political leaders ) or extroverted sensors (Archetype: Great athletes, competitors, chefs, sensor type critiques). All of the archetypes that i have listed usually are considered intelligent also, as alternatives to the Archetype of the Introverted thinker: philosopher and mathematician. According to your stereotype text i guess you associate extroversion with extroverted sensing and extroverted feeling in a dom or aux place in individuals. I would recommend that you expand your knowledge before posting more biased texts about extroverts.

Daniel_Newby 13y ago
The grandparent comment does not equate intelligence and introversion.
- GarvielLoken 13y ago
  "It's bad for the introverted and highly intelligent because it further stigmatizes both of those things, especially in combination. By establishing extroversion and median IQ as "ideal," we're insinuating that the introverted and gifted are somehow defective. " Extroversion = median IQ and Introverted = gifted.
  - colomon 13y ago
    I read that same quote and come up with the exact opposite of your conclusion. Note "especially in combination", which doesn't make any sense if the author thinks those two things always go together.
  - jonnathanson 13y ago
    That's not what I was saying, and if that's what you read, I will take the blame for phrasing it improperly. This article is about a particular combination of Introversion and High IQ. It is one combination of many. Obviously it's possible to be a different combination: Extrovert + High IQ, Introvert + Low IQ, etc. I did not mean to imply, in any way, that Introversion is correlated with IQ, much less axiomatically correlated with high IQ.
    - GarvielLoken 13y ago
      Okay then i understand, i misinterpret your wording.
epsylon 13y ago
> MBTI MBTI is a commercial product based on old theories. It sells well because the results are usually presented as only positive and desirable traits (the archetypes). For a more accurate representation of personality types, the Big Five has more or less the consensus nowadays. (it's more "scientific", as far as psychology can be "science") Both are somehow correlated, but a well known failure of the MTBI model is the lack of distinction between introversion and neuroticism. http://skepdic.com/myersb.html http://skepdic.com/myersb.html http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2013/mar/19/myers-briggs-test-unscientific http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2013/mar/1... http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4221 http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4221 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Cr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_five_personality_traits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_five_personality_traits

Daniel_Newby 13y ago

The grandparent comment does not equate intelligence and introversion.

GarvielLoken 13y ago
"It's bad for the introverted and highly intelligent because it further stigmatizes both of those things, especially in combination. By establishing extroversion and median IQ as "ideal," we're insinuating that the introverted and gifted are somehow defective. " Extroversion = median IQ and Introverted = gifted.
- colomon 13y ago
  I read that same quote and come up with the exact opposite of your conclusion. Note "especially in combination", which doesn't make any sense if the author thinks those two things always go together.
- jonnathanson 13y ago
  That's not what I was saying, and if that's what you read, I will take the blame for phrasing it improperly. This article is about a particular combination of Introversion and High IQ. It is one combination of many. Obviously it's possible to be a different combination: Extrovert + High IQ, Introvert + Low IQ, etc. I did not mean to imply, in any way, that Introversion is correlated with IQ, much less axiomatically correlated with high IQ.
  - GarvielLoken 13y ago
    Okay then i understand, i misinterpret your wording.

epsylon 13y ago

> MBTI MBTI is a commercial product based on old theories. It sells well because the results are usually presented as only positive and desirable traits (the archetypes). For a more accurate representation of personality types, the Big Five has more or less the consensus nowadays. (it's more "scientific", as far as psychology can be "science") Both are somehow correlated, but a well known failure of the MTBI model is the lack of distinction between introversion and neuroticism. http://skepdic.com/myersb.html http://skepdic.com/myersb.html http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2013/mar/19/myers-briggs-test-unscientific http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2013/mar/1... http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4221 http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4221 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Cr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_five_personality_traits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_five_personality_traits