Sorry, I got so caught up the frustration that I forget to post that as my real frustration. :P That was exactly what I first thought when I saw that, and was

Sorry, I got so caught up the frustration that I forget to post that as my real frustration. :P That was exactly what I first thought when I saw that, and was posting the `find` calls as just a easier / more comprehensive method of looking, esp when you start wanting recursive searches. The fact that you can add tons of different search filters to `find` that you can't have with `ls` really make it the goto way of finding files, rather than piping ls to some form of grep or whatnot.