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Clearly they are going out of business. Not to mention only 200 Million devices running iOS7 so far.

badman_ting 13y ago
Yup, Apple is as doomed as ever. Also their customers are sheeple, they are marketing geniuses (even when I write a blog post painstakingly detailing why their ads are terrible), reality distortion field, disruption, etc etc.
untog 13y ago
Is anyone actually claiming that Apple are going out of business? This kind of reflexive defensiveness doesn't really help anything.
- rmrfrmrf 13y ago
  Um, excuse me, don't you realize that Android has been installed on approximately 8 million times the number of devices that iOS has been installed on? Think of how many feature phones, Arduinos, and toasters have all of the same capabilities Apple's iterative, piddly phone offering. Probably more features, now that I think about it, since, like, I don't have to jailbreak my toaster to get all of the features I want.
  - untog 13y ago
    Mocking Android fanboys in a forum overwhelmingly dominated by Apple adulation? I hate to use a Reddit/4chan meme, but so brave...
    - epo 13y ago
      Funny, I thought HN was dominated by Android fanboys. Perception is everything eh?
      - venomsnake 13y ago
        Quote from almost a decade ago by a Linux fangirl - "I love MS products, but I cannot stand their policies" My perception is that here the situation is similar.
    - micampe 13y ago
      Ah, that must be why his comment is gray and yours is black then.
- badman_ting 13y ago
  It's alright, we all have short memories these days :) Here ya go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6431371 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6431371
venomsnake 13y ago
In the long run we are all dead. And all companies go bankrupt. Aggregated numbers do not tell the whole story. If smartphones mature to good enough and people shift to slower upgrade cycles (think 2006-7 in PC terms) then apple will have trouble growing. And in our quarterly reports world growth is what counts. Which is already hard when you have the revenue of a couple of countries. And there are not many people that can afford to pay the apple premiums and are not already paying them. For me the interesting stuff is what is the breakdown of the sales. If the majority of these 9 millions are iPhone 4/S users that switch it can mean one thing, if 6 of those 9 million units are new customers is another story. We work in industry where the rise and falls of titans is rapid. I will be equally unsurprised if in 5 years Apple still have amazing performance or they are on the brink of bankruptcy. Apple have some structural problems that they need to address to stay on top - the lack of Steve Jobs (mostly as a perception thing for the products), the store, how to reach to new users that are poorer and protect the margins and the perception of premium-ness of their brand, deal with the growing share of Android etc. None of them are unsolvable but combined they are a challenge.
- swombat 13y ago
  In the long run we are all dead. And all companies go bankrupt. Interesting to ponder which happens first...

Yup, Apple is as doomed as ever. Also their customers are sheeple, they are marketing geniuses (even when I write a blog post painstakingly detailing why their ads are terrible), reality distortion field, disruption, etc etc.

untog 13y ago

Is anyone actually claiming that Apple are going out of business? This kind of reflexive defensiveness doesn't really help anything.

rmrfrmrf 13y ago
Um, excuse me, don't you realize that Android has been installed on approximately 8 million times the number of devices that iOS has been installed on? Think of how many feature phones, Arduinos, and toasters have all of the same capabilities Apple's iterative, piddly phone offering. Probably more features, now that I think about it, since, like, I don't have to jailbreak my toaster to get all of the features I want.
- untog 13y ago
  Mocking Android fanboys in a forum overwhelmingly dominated by Apple adulation? I hate to use a Reddit/4chan meme, but so brave...
  - epo 13y ago
    Funny, I thought HN was dominated by Android fanboys. Perception is everything eh?
    - venomsnake 13y ago
      Quote from almost a decade ago by a Linux fangirl - "I love MS products, but I cannot stand their policies" My perception is that here the situation is similar.
  - micampe 13y ago
    Ah, that must be why his comment is gray and yours is black then.
badman_ting 13y ago
It's alright, we all have short memories these days :) Here ya go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6431371 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6431371

venomsnake 13y ago

In the long run we are all dead. And all companies go bankrupt. Aggregated numbers do not tell the whole story. If smartphones mature to good enough and people shift to slower upgrade cycles (think 2006-7 in PC terms) then apple will have trouble growing. And in our quarterly reports world growth is what counts. Which is already hard when you have the revenue of a couple of countries. And there are not many people that can afford to pay the apple premiums and are not already paying them. For me the interesting stuff is what is the breakdown of the sales. If the majority of these 9 millions are iPhone 4/S users that switch it can mean one thing, if 6 of those 9 million units are new customers is another story. We work in industry where the rise and falls of titans is rapid. I will be equally unsurprised if in 5 years Apple still have amazing performance or they are on the brink of bankruptcy. Apple have some structural problems that they need to address to stay on top - the lack of Steve Jobs (mostly as a perception thing for the products), the store, how to reach to new users that are poorer and protect the margins and the perception of premium-ness of their brand, deal with the growing share of Android etc. None of them are unsolvable but combined they are a challenge.

swombat 13y ago
In the long run we are all dead. And all companies go bankrupt. Interesting to ponder which happens first...