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What language(s) did you move on to?

transfire 13y ago
I am not 100% settled yet. I am evaluating Elixir and Go right now. There are things I like and don't like about both. I gave Haskell a shot but rejected it altogether --I have better things to do then stare at my monadic navel. But all those aside, I've concluded that the ultimate fallback is simply Javascript/Coffeescript --the syntax isn't as nice as Ruby, but you can't go wrong for interoperability. Oh, also [Crystal](https://github.com/manastech/crystal https://github.com/manastech/crystal) looks very promising, but it's too immature as of yet. Beyond that I've decide it's also time to step up work on my own language. Something I've always wanted to do for a while.
- virtualwhys 13y ago
  Haskell does indeed look not at all like a language that one "gets" right off the bat, although statically typed monadic operations are, for me, a must have now -- transitioned from Groovy, a poor man's Ruby (as far as MOP is concerned), to Scala a couple of years ago. Crystal looks pretty interesting, statically typed Ruby with extreme type inference. Of course that begs the question, why not JRuby? As for JS/CS, I love me some coffeescript, just a drag to debug the fat fingered typos, indentation mishaps, etc. wtf is going on moments. A TypeScript/Coffeescript hybrid would be truly awesome.
  - vorg 13y ago
    > Groovy, a poor man's Ruby (as far as MOP is concerned) ...and as far as its static typed mode introduced in version 2, written by only one person but bundled with the dynamic compiler as if it was part of the same software. is concerned. Grales doesnt use any of it and Gradle still ships with Groovy 1.x. ...and as far as a lot of other stuff about Groovy such as its lexer/parser imlemented in Antlr 2.7, two major releases behind Antlr 4, the latest version. is concerned.
    - virtualwhys 13y ago
      I spent the better part of 6 months in pure Groovy, getting my feet wet on the JVM, was quite enjoyable to hack around in, the syntax is nicely terse. The lack of static typing became an issue when I spent 6 months in the underworld (aka Grails in the v1.3 days) attempting to decipher voluminous stack traces whose origins lay somewhere deep in 10 layers of Grails MOP, far from one's reach. Anyway, I was frustrated with Grails, deeply so; one day on the Grails user group someone mentioned Scala. Had no idea what that was, checked it out, bought the stairway book, started hacking around in the REPL and was quickly sold.
  - transfire 13y ago
    You know what put me over the edge with Haskell? Monads were difficult enough, but one of the first things I wanted to do was randomly shuffle a list. That led me to this: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Random_shuffle http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Random_shuffle. I knew right then that this was not the kind of language I was interested in. As for JRuby, fair point, but I'd rather steer clear of Java as much as possible. I have to use Java for Android development and it makes me cry big hippo tears every day.
    - virtualwhys 13y ago
      Scala collections library covers pretty much everything you can think of, usually in a concise manner a la Ruby, Python, etc. scala> Random.shuffle(List(1,2,3)) res7: List[Int] = List(2, 3, 1) Scala-Android google group may be of interest: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/scala-on-android https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/scala-on-android Obviously I've been converted to the static side, only client-side remains dynamic for me at present, and that's only because there's not yet a statically typed Coffeescript-like language available.
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I am not 100% settled yet. I am evaluating Elixir and Go right now. There are things I like and don't like about both. I gave Haskell a shot but rejected it altogether --I have better things to do then stare at my monadic navel. But all those aside, I've concluded that the ultimate fallback is simply Javascript/Coffeescript --the syntax isn't as nice as Ruby, but you can't go wrong for interoperability. Oh, also [Crystal](https://github.com/manastech/crystal https://github.com/manastech/crystal) looks very promising, but it's too immature as of yet. Beyond that I've decide it's also time to step up work on my own language. Something I've always wanted to do for a while.

virtualwhys 13y ago
Haskell does indeed look not at all like a language that one "gets" right off the bat, although statically typed monadic operations are, for me, a must have now -- transitioned from Groovy, a poor man's Ruby (as far as MOP is concerned), to Scala a couple of years ago. Crystal looks pretty interesting, statically typed Ruby with extreme type inference. Of course that begs the question, why not JRuby? As for JS/CS, I love me some coffeescript, just a drag to debug the fat fingered typos, indentation mishaps, etc. wtf is going on moments. A TypeScript/Coffeescript hybrid would be truly awesome.
- vorg 13y ago
  > Groovy, a poor man's Ruby (as far as MOP is concerned) ...and as far as its static typed mode introduced in version 2, written by only one person but bundled with the dynamic compiler as if it was part of the same software. is concerned. Grales doesnt use any of it and Gradle still ships with Groovy 1.x. ...and as far as a lot of other stuff about Groovy such as its lexer/parser imlemented in Antlr 2.7, two major releases behind Antlr 4, the latest version. is concerned.
  - virtualwhys 13y ago
    I spent the better part of 6 months in pure Groovy, getting my feet wet on the JVM, was quite enjoyable to hack around in, the syntax is nicely terse. The lack of static typing became an issue when I spent 6 months in the underworld (aka Grails in the v1.3 days) attempting to decipher voluminous stack traces whose origins lay somewhere deep in 10 layers of Grails MOP, far from one's reach. Anyway, I was frustrated with Grails, deeply so; one day on the Grails user group someone mentioned Scala. Had no idea what that was, checked it out, bought the stairway book, started hacking around in the REPL and was quickly sold.
- transfire 13y ago
  You know what put me over the edge with Haskell? Monads were difficult enough, but one of the first things I wanted to do was randomly shuffle a list. That led me to this: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Random_shuffle http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Random_shuffle. I knew right then that this was not the kind of language I was interested in. As for JRuby, fair point, but I'd rather steer clear of Java as much as possible. I have to use Java for Android development and it makes me cry big hippo tears every day.
  - virtualwhys 13y ago
    Scala collections library covers pretty much everything you can think of, usually in a concise manner a la Ruby, Python, etc. scala> Random.shuffle(List(1,2,3)) res7: List[Int] = List(2, 3, 1) Scala-Android google group may be of interest: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/scala-on-android https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/scala-on-android Obviously I've been converted to the static side, only client-side remains dynamic for me at present, and that's only because there's not yet a statically typed Coffeescript-like language available.
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