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Have you blocked javascript? All that kind of stuff disappeared for me when I installed noscript

by rfergie 13y ago

Amadou 13y ago
Have you blocked javascript? I believe you have identified the cause. Switching javascript off and on between queries makes the define: operator stop working and then return to working. I block cookies and don't log into google in both cases. Silly, lazy, javascript-loving google, it used to work just fine without javascript and I don't see anything particularly special about how it works now that should require javascript either.
- annnnd 13y ago
  I don't think laziness has anything to do with it - they want you to have JS turned on. For instance Google Analytics, their powerful tracking tool, is crippled without it.
- hnriot 13y ago
  you need javascript to use the modern web. If you turn it off, stop whining that you've lost functionality. You didn't lose anything, you turned it off.
  - coldpie 13y ago
    It's fine when the functionality actually requires JavaScript. The trouble being discussed is when displaying plaintext requires JavaScript for no particularly good reason.
    - packetslave 13y ago
      It's 2013. I don't think it's especially unreasonable to assume JavaScript is universally available when developing a feature. As hnriot said, if you choose to browse the web with JavaScript disabled, you accept the fact that large swaths of the 2013 web will not work.
      - Amadou 13y ago
        It is 2013 and the 4th most popular add-on to Firefox is NoScript. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/extensions/?sort=users https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/extensions/?sort=us... Essentially all of the browser exploits over the last decade have had javascript as a necessary component. Irresponsible use of javascript forces your users to expose themselves to attacks for your convenience. That is abusive and is the kind of thing that will drive away your most sophisticated users who are likely to be be adoption trend-setters for any endeavor not primarily pop-culture oriented. Google's inertia means they don't have to care, but nearly everybody else has a lot more to lose from alienating those users.
- kllrnohj 13y ago
  > Silly, lazy, javascript-loving google, it used to work just fine without javascript It used to not be interactive, either, yet now it is. JavaScript used to not be a core web technology, yet now it is.
  - saraid216 13y ago
    I'm coining a new term: "web conservatism".

Have you blocked javascript? All that kind of stuff disappeared for me when I installed noscript

by rfergie 13y ago

Have you blocked javascript? All that kind of stuff disappeared for me when I installed noscript

Have you blocked javascript? I believe you have identified the cause. Switching javascript off and on between queries makes the define: operator stop working and then return to working. I block cookies and don't log into google in both cases. Silly, lazy, javascript-loving google, it used to work just fine without javascript and I don't see anything particularly special about how it works now that should require javascript either.

annnnd 13y ago
I don't think laziness has anything to do with it - they want you to have JS turned on. For instance Google Analytics, their powerful tracking tool, is crippled without it.
hnriot 13y ago
you need javascript to use the modern web. If you turn it off, stop whining that you've lost functionality. You didn't lose anything, you turned it off.
- coldpie 13y ago
  It's fine when the functionality actually requires JavaScript. The trouble being discussed is when displaying plaintext requires JavaScript for no particularly good reason.
  - packetslave 13y ago
    It's 2013. I don't think it's especially unreasonable to assume JavaScript is universally available when developing a feature. As hnriot said, if you choose to browse the web with JavaScript disabled, you accept the fact that large swaths of the 2013 web will not work.
    - Amadou 13y ago
      It is 2013 and the 4th most popular add-on to Firefox is NoScript. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/extensions/?sort=users https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/extensions/?sort=us... Essentially all of the browser exploits over the last decade have had javascript as a necessary component. Irresponsible use of javascript forces your users to expose themselves to attacks for your convenience. That is abusive and is the kind of thing that will drive away your most sophisticated users who are likely to be be adoption trend-setters for any endeavor not primarily pop-culture oriented. Google's inertia means they don't have to care, but nearly everybody else has a lot more to lose from alienating those users.
kllrnohj 13y ago
> Silly, lazy, javascript-loving google, it used to work just fine without javascript It used to not be interactive, either, yet now it is. JavaScript used to not be a core web technology, yet now it is.
- saraid216 13y ago
  I'm coining a new term: "web conservatism".