I'm noticing a bit of an exodus from programming to traditional engineering disciplines also, though primarily over working conditions, not mainly pay. One spec

I'm noticing a bit of an exodus from programming to traditional engineering disciplines also, though primarily over working conditions, not mainly pay. One specific concentration is people leaving the game industry to do non-game simulation work at places like Lockheed. The pay is comparable and the environment is much nicer for someone over 30. Game companies complain they can't find enough good talent, but don't seem willing to own up to their role in driving away good talent.