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Giving Apple a break? Just another layer of security? That's not how Apple describes it: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5949?viewlocale=en_US http://support.app

by chmars 13y ago

Giving Apple a break? Just another layer of security? That's not how Apple describes it: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5949?viewlocale=en_US http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5949?viewlocale=en_US And selling a stolen iPhone on eBay does not need a password or a fingerprint, a jailbreak is enough …

nobodyshere 13y ago
Jailbreak is enough... When it exists. And for now it doesn't.
- arbitrage 13y ago
  taking past trends into consideration, it looks like you're betting on the wrong horse, here. it will exist.
  - Bud 13y ago
    Past trends do indicate that. However, the very recent past indicates that Apple is getting progressively better at foiling jailbreaks. It's taking greenpois0n and those folks longer and longer to crack each successive version of iOS. Took a long time for there to be an untethered jailbreak of iOS 6 and the latest rev of iOS 6 wasn't cracked til about two weeks ago. There was no jailbreak of any kind on the iPhone 5 for several months after its release, which is a long time considering that the time between device generations is one year.
  - tptacek 13y ago
    What are the actual trends on jailbreaks for iOS on current hardware?
  - nobodyshere 13y ago
    Judging by latest Apple TV jailbreak status, it still might never appear.
cremnob 13y ago
You linked to a support document explaining how the technology works. You may have had a point if this was listed on their product page describing the feature, but instead you have them touting the convenience of using your finger to unlock your phone and make purchases: You check your iPhone dozens and dozens of times a day, probably more. Entering a passcode each time just slows you down. But you do it because making sure no one else has access to your iPhone is important. With iPhone 5s, getting into your phone is faster, easier, and even a little futuristic. Introducing Touch ID — a new fingerprint identity sensor. Put your finger on the Home button, and just like that your iPhone unlocks. It’s a convenient and highly secure way to access your phone. Your fingerprint can also approve purchases from iTunes Store, the App Store, and the iBooks Store, so you don’t have to enter your password. And Touch ID is capable of 360-degree readability. Which means no matter what its orientation — portrait, landscape, or anything in between — your iPhone reads your fingerprint and knows who you are. And because Touch ID lets you enroll multiple fingerprints, it knows the people you trust, too.
Bud 13y ago
Only an idiot would buy a jailbroken phone without a clean ESN on it. Those who do, know what they are getting. And you're forgetting Activation Lock, which a jailbreak will not defeat.
- lawnchair_larry 13y ago
  That's not true. Most non-idiots that I know have no idea what an ESN even is.

by chmars 13y ago

nobodyshere 13y ago

Jailbreak is enough... When it exists. And for now it doesn't.

arbitrage 13y ago
taking past trends into consideration, it looks like you're betting on the wrong horse, here. it will exist.
- Bud 13y ago
  Past trends do indicate that. However, the very recent past indicates that Apple is getting progressively better at foiling jailbreaks. It's taking greenpois0n and those folks longer and longer to crack each successive version of iOS. Took a long time for there to be an untethered jailbreak of iOS 6 and the latest rev of iOS 6 wasn't cracked til about two weeks ago. There was no jailbreak of any kind on the iPhone 5 for several months after its release, which is a long time considering that the time between device generations is one year.
- tptacek 13y ago
  What are the actual trends on jailbreaks for iOS on current hardware?
- nobodyshere 13y ago
  Judging by latest Apple TV jailbreak status, it still might never appear.

cremnob 13y ago

You linked to a support document explaining how the technology works. You may have had a point if this was listed on their product page describing the feature, but instead you have them touting the convenience of using your finger to unlock your phone and make purchases: You check your iPhone dozens and dozens of times a day, probably more. Entering a passcode each time just slows you down. But you do it because making sure no one else has access to your iPhone is important. With iPhone 5s, getting into your phone is faster, easier, and even a little futuristic. Introducing Touch ID — a new fingerprint identity sensor. Put your finger on the Home button, and just like that your iPhone unlocks. It’s a convenient and highly secure way to access your phone. Your fingerprint can also approve purchases from iTunes Store, the App Store, and the iBooks Store, so you don’t have to enter your password. And Touch ID is capable of 360-degree readability. Which means no matter what its orientation — portrait, landscape, or anything in between — your iPhone reads your fingerprint and knows who you are. And because Touch ID lets you enroll multiple fingerprints, it knows the people you trust, too.

Bud 13y ago

Only an idiot would buy a jailbroken phone without a clean ESN on it. Those who do, know what they are getting. And you're forgetting Activation Lock, which a jailbreak will not defeat.

lawnchair_larry 13y ago
That's not true. Most non-idiots that I know have no idea what an ESN even is.