5 ms·

Is There Anything Good About Men? (2007)

17 points by S4M 13y ago

Spooky23 13y ago
My question would be: is there anything good about this type of research? Outside of academia, I don't think that anyone pays any serious mind the conclusions of these studies.
- throwaway-00 13y ago
  >I don't think that anyone pays any serious mind the conclusions of these studies. Quite a few people do, actually. The /r/mensrights subreddit, for example, has almost 80,000 readers at the moment.
  - skylan_q 13y ago
    I don't think this really relates to the "men's rights" stuff. I think all the paper does is show that the bellcurve for men is flatter and that men are nature's crapshoot.
  - yummyfajitas 13y ago
    For comparison, /r/sloths has 44k, /r/mildlyinfuriating has 80k, /r/creepypms has 87k and /r/animalsbeingjerks has 100k.
    - graeme 13y ago
      A better comparison would be to say that /r/mensrights is currently the 201st biggest subreddit: http://www.redditlist.com/page-2 http://www.redditlist.com/page-2 note: please do not take this comment as me subscribing to the views of that subreddit. I just like Reddit stats.
- manmal 13y ago
  Politicians might pick the ideas up, eventually. I don't think you can change a complex system such as our society by writing some papers. But you can plant a seed.
zedpm 13y ago
The formatting of that page is truly wretched. It's nearly unreadable in that format.
- greenyoda 13y ago
  Even more annoying than the format is the fact that there are missing spaces between lots of words.
TheSwordsman 13y ago
Was going to just clean the text up and paste it here, until I realized how long it was. Converted the .doc file to PDF and fixed up the formatting to be a bit better: Left Justified: https://s3.amazonaws.com/hnstuff/GoodAbtMenAPATalk.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/hnstuff/GoodAbtMenAPATalk.pdf Full Justified: https://s3.amazonaws.com/hnstuff/GoodAbtMenAPATalk-fulljustification.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/hnstuff/GoodAbtMenAPATalk-fulljusti... Also provided URL to original document in header of each page.
- skylan_q 13y ago
  Thanks for fixing this up. It really is an excellent article.
altero 13y ago
Am I only one who finds this stuff disturbing and sexist? Author starts with some 'facts' and than just goes on and on with some speculations.
- norswap 13y ago
  If sexist means it differentiates between the sexes, then of course. I really don't find this disparaging of women. But since we're both men (I think), it probably would be easier to get a women opinion.
  - altero 13y ago
    Perhaps it could be sexist to men...
elgabogringo 13y ago
Better formatted version here: http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm

17 points by S4M 13y ago

My question would be: is there anything good about this type of research? Outside of academia, I don't think that anyone pays any serious mind the conclusions of these studies.

throwaway-00 13y ago
>I don't think that anyone pays any serious mind the conclusions of these studies. Quite a few people do, actually. The /r/mensrights subreddit, for example, has almost 80,000 readers at the moment.
- skylan_q 13y ago
  I don't think this really relates to the "men's rights" stuff. I think all the paper does is show that the bellcurve for men is flatter and that men are nature's crapshoot.
- yummyfajitas 13y ago
  For comparison, /r/sloths has 44k, /r/mildlyinfuriating has 80k, /r/creepypms has 87k and /r/animalsbeingjerks has 100k.
  - graeme 13y ago
    A better comparison would be to say that /r/mensrights is currently the 201st biggest subreddit: http://www.redditlist.com/page-2 http://www.redditlist.com/page-2 note: please do not take this comment as me subscribing to the views of that subreddit. I just like Reddit stats.
manmal 13y ago
Politicians might pick the ideas up, eventually. I don't think you can change a complex system such as our society by writing some papers. But you can plant a seed.

zedpm 13y ago

The formatting of that page is truly wretched. It's nearly unreadable in that format.

greenyoda 13y ago
Even more annoying than the format is the fact that there are missing spaces between lots of words.

TheSwordsman 13y ago

Was going to just clean the text up and paste it here, until I realized how long it was. Converted the .doc file to PDF and fixed up the formatting to be a bit better: Left Justified: https://s3.amazonaws.com/hnstuff/GoodAbtMenAPATalk.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/hnstuff/GoodAbtMenAPATalk.pdf Full Justified: https://s3.amazonaws.com/hnstuff/GoodAbtMenAPATalk-fulljustification.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/hnstuff/GoodAbtMenAPATalk-fulljusti... Also provided URL to original document in header of each page.

skylan_q 13y ago
Thanks for fixing this up. It really is an excellent article.

altero 13y ago

Am I only one who finds this stuff disturbing and sexist? Author starts with some 'facts' and than just goes on and on with some speculations.

norswap 13y ago
If sexist means it differentiates between the sexes, then of course. I really don't find this disparaging of women. But since we're both men (I think), it probably would be easier to get a women opinion.
- altero 13y ago
  Perhaps it could be sexist to men...

elgabogringo 13y ago

Better formatted version here: http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm