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"That 212,994 more Americans lost their lives from firearms in the last 45 years than in all wars involving the US is a staggering fact" The world should stay
by antr 13y ago
"That 212,994 more Americans lost their lives from firearms in the last 45 years than in all wars involving the US is a staggering fact"
The world should stay out of this problem. It's a US-only ideology issue, primarily driven by the second amendment, and the twisted interpretation of "freedom".
If I were in Government in another country (Canada, U.K., Germany, Australia, etc) I would use this in the country's favour. This U.S. gun issue is extremely scary for many, and would use it (among other points) to attract talent from the U.S. or divert quality immigrants from the U.S. to my country. It sounds harsh, but quality of life and life expectancy are top priorities for almost anyone. If you can market this the right way, these countries with less gun-death risk can really benefit.
Country Guns per 100 Total Firearm-related deaths per 100,000
US 88.8 10.2
Canada 30.8 2.44
Germany 30.3 1.1
Australia 15.0 1.04
UK 6.2 0.25
- alexeisadeski3 13y agoThe fact that both of this weeks' shootings occurred in jurisdictions with stricter gun control laws than Canada's is evidently irrelevant.
- antr 13y agoI'm not referring to gun control, where do I imply this?
- NateDad 13y agoCorrelation does not imply causation.
- __--__ 13y agoHe's not implying causation. The idea that stricter gun control laws cause shootings is ridiculous. He's disproving the causation that stricter gun control laws stop violent shootings.
- lwhalen 13y agoI would like to see that chart with 'homicides' instead of just firearm-centric ones. I crunched these numbers several years ago for my own amusement and found that in countries with strict gun control, violence in general and violent deaths especially went WAY up, surpassing the US's by a fair margin. No I don't have a source at the moment, it was a weekend's worth of Googling trying to find data that didn't come from biased sources (either the NRA on one side, or groups like the Violence Policy Center on the other), and done purely for my own amusement.
- antr 13y agoHere you go, intentional homicide rate (as per United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime data) per 100,000 inhabitants: USA 4.66 Canada 1.58 (US murder rate 3.0x higher) UK 1.13 (US murder rate 4.1x higher) Australia 0.99 (US murder rate 4.7x higher) Germany 0.86 (US murder rate 5.4x higher) On the numbers you crunched, which western countries "with strict gun control" did have a higher murder rate than the U.S.?
- alexeisadeski3 13y ago>On the numbers you crunched, which western countries "with strict gun control" did have a higher murder rate than the U.S.? Mexico, most of Central America, most of South America, most of the Caribbean, some of Oceania. What is interesting is that Washington State, Montana, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine all have very similar homicide rates to their Canadian neighbors.
- antr 13y agoOk, I see, but most of those are not considered "western countries" as per Huntington, as they are not comparable in economic development, HDI, etc. Apple and oranges. I was referring to comparable nations, primarily to the anglo-saxon countries on the above list really comparable to the US. The U.S. has 4x more murders than the average of the western countries above. That is 4x, food for thought.