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I want to learn Vim, but I cannot even dream to remember even the most primitive commands.

dionidium 13y ago
Treat learning vim like you'd treat learning a natural language. You weren't having conversations when you were two years old, but you were learning words that you'd need later when you were ready to string them into sentences. That's how vim works. I've been using vim for 10 years and I learn new things all the time.
- yogo 13y ago
  That's the best thing about vim... there is always more to learn. I think it might be boring otherwise
madvoid 13y ago
To be honest, I found that the only way to remember the commands is to commit them to muscle memory. However, this means coding enough in vim that you look things up enough for them to just stick.
- danieldk 13y ago
  Once you know how to switch between modes, it's easy to use vim as a basic text editor using the cursor keys. At that point I wouldn't start looking things up all the time. Just set out to learn one new command or shortcut every two days, applying it in your daily use. Usually that's enough to get them in your mid-term muscle memory, so that you continue to use when you move on to the next command. The Vim pocket guide is great to choose what's up next. I was already fairly adept at Vim when I applied this method to teach myself less frequently used Vim commands.
nolite 13y ago
the best way to learn VIM is to learn the basic commands, and then make your own
djblue 13y ago
The Vim Adventures games is actually pretty useful for getting use to sticking with the keyboard and laying off the mouse.
adambard 13y ago
There is definitely a basic set of commands to remember, but the real power of vim is that it forms a succinct and consistent text-editing language where complex operations can very often be synthesized from what you already know about it. For example, there are a set of commands that move the cursor in different ways (beginning of line, end of line, first line, last line, line #x, next word, previous word, etc. (that's ^/$/gg/G/g#/w/b) ), and a set of commands that performs actions (copy, cut mostly (y/d)). The real magic is how the two sets interact. I don't have to memorize the sequence of keys to delete a word; I know the key to cut (d), and the key to move a word forward (w). I press d, then w, and the word is gone! It's a whole world of editing possibilities. My secret shame: since I use GUI vims almost exclusively, I've never developed the muscle memory for hjkl movement; I use the arrow keys. When I started out, I knew i, esc, and that, and I figured out the rest as I needed it.
- mynameishere 13y ago
  I press d, then w, and the word is gone! There's got to be a better reason to use vim than this. I mean...the standard for every other editor is ctrl-shift-left arrow, then the delete key and the word is gone! Whoopee. It works in most editors, even Microsoft notepad and this textarea I'm typing in right now. I use unfashionable, clumsy old eclipse most of the time and could probably list 100 important things it does that vim never could. Things that actually matter. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt vim can launch and debug and continuously deploy to Apache tomcat. That sort of thing.
- leephillips 13y ago
  I think the real joy of vim is in the next level, when you start depending less on movement commands in favor of text objects.
  - ethanazir 13y ago
    or you try to finish your HN comment with :w
    - leephillips 13y ago
codenut 13y ago
My fingers remember the primitive command but my mind doesnt. If you ask me for a command and its function, I will not be able to answer some of it. But if I start typing on the keyboard my fingers know what to do.
- leephillips 13y ago
  It's like when I was a kid in New York. I could walk anywhere without thinking about it, but if someone asked me for directions I had no idea how to tell him to get where he wanted to go.
- danieldk 13y ago
  Yes, it's funny how our brain works. I wouldn't be able to write down passwords that I use daily. Therein lies a pitfall - once you start think about a particular password, it becomes much harder to type it in.

Treat learning vim like you'd treat learning a natural language. You weren't having conversations when you were two years old, but you were learning words that you'd need later when you were ready to string them into sentences. That's how vim works. I've been using vim for 10 years and I learn new things all the time.

yogo 13y ago
That's the best thing about vim... there is always more to learn. I think it might be boring otherwise

madvoid 13y ago

To be honest, I found that the only way to remember the commands is to commit them to muscle memory. However, this means coding enough in vim that you look things up enough for them to just stick.

danieldk 13y ago
Once you know how to switch between modes, it's easy to use vim as a basic text editor using the cursor keys. At that point I wouldn't start looking things up all the time. Just set out to learn one new command or shortcut every two days, applying it in your daily use. Usually that's enough to get them in your mid-term muscle memory, so that you continue to use when you move on to the next command. The Vim pocket guide is great to choose what's up next. I was already fairly adept at Vim when I applied this method to teach myself less frequently used Vim commands.

nolite 13y ago

the best way to learn VIM is to learn the basic commands, and then make your own

djblue 13y ago

The Vim Adventures games is actually pretty useful for getting use to sticking with the keyboard and laying off the mouse.

adambard 13y ago

There is definitely a basic set of commands to remember, but the real power of vim is that it forms a succinct and consistent text-editing language where complex operations can very often be synthesized from what you already know about it. For example, there are a set of commands that move the cursor in different ways (beginning of line, end of line, first line, last line, line #x, next word, previous word, etc. (that's ^/$/gg/G/g#/w/b) ), and a set of commands that performs actions (copy, cut mostly (y/d)). The real magic is how the two sets interact. I don't have to memorize the sequence of keys to delete a word; I know the key to cut (d), and the key to move a word forward (w). I press d, then w, and the word is gone! It's a whole world of editing possibilities. My secret shame: since I use GUI vims almost exclusively, I've never developed the muscle memory for hjkl movement; I use the arrow keys. When I started out, I knew i, esc, and that, and I figured out the rest as I needed it.

mynameishere 13y ago
I press d, then w, and the word is gone! There's got to be a better reason to use vim than this. I mean...the standard for every other editor is ctrl-shift-left arrow, then the delete key and the word is gone! Whoopee. It works in most editors, even Microsoft notepad and this textarea I'm typing in right now. I use unfashionable, clumsy old eclipse most of the time and could probably list 100 important things it does that vim never could. Things that actually matter. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt vim can launch and debug and continuously deploy to Apache tomcat. That sort of thing.
leephillips 13y ago
I think the real joy of vim is in the next level, when you start depending less on movement commands in favor of text objects.
- ethanazir 13y ago
  or you try to finish your HN comment with :w
  - leephillips 13y ago

codenut 13y ago

My fingers remember the primitive command but my mind doesnt. If you ask me for a command and its function, I will not be able to answer some of it. But if I start typing on the keyboard my fingers know what to do.

leephillips 13y ago
It's like when I was a kid in New York. I could walk anywhere without thinking about it, but if someone asked me for directions I had no idea how to tell him to get where he wanted to go.
danieldk 13y ago
Yes, it's funny how our brain works. I wouldn't be able to write down passwords that I use daily. Therein lies a pitfall - once you start think about a particular password, it becomes much harder to type it in.