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Global temperatures are basically flat for the last 17 years, and below every single computer model of climate change. This is even more stark given the fact th

by kjackson2012 13y ago

Global temperatures are basically flat for the last 17 years, and below every single computer model of climate change. This is even more stark given the fact that the most co2 has been produced in the last 17 years. I think the theory is pretty much broken and they need to figure a better model. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420783/Worlds-climate-scientists-confess-Global-warming-just-QUARTER-thought--computers-got-effects-greenhouse-gases-wrong.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420783/Worlds-clima...

ronaldx 13y ago
Please, you need to study statistics again. Check the graph in the parent article. Zoom into any 17 year period between -3000 and 1900 and it will "look flat", and during many 17 year periods the temperature temporarily went up, but nonetheless you can see there's a clear downward trend throughout that period. It's impossible to deny that this trend has been sharply reversed. A 17 year period is normally supposed to tell you nothing interesting - but the 17 year period up to 1996 clearly indicates something quite disturbing is going on. Climate change is not negated by a temporary plateau.
bjz_ 13y ago
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998-intermediate.htm http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-19... The Daily Mail? Really?
- kjackson2012 13y ago
  That's comparing apples to oranges. All the other data used to create the original graph o calculate temperature such as tree rings, etc do not take into account the temperature of the oceans, etc. There may be perfectly good explanations as to why the temperature may be flat, but those same explanations are not being fed into the graph that the OP posted.
  - anon1385 13y ago
    >All the other data used to create the original graph o calculate temperature such as tree rings, etc do not take into account the temperature of the oceans, etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_(climate)#Corals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_(climate)#Corals
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noiv 13y ago
What's flat is not global temperature, that's 2m air temperature. 90% of the greenhouse effect goes into the ocean. That's the place to look for rising temperatures and hopefully all that accumulated energy of latest 2 decades gets not released at once into the atmosphere with next El Niño.

ronaldx 13y ago

Please, you need to study statistics again. Check the graph in the parent article. Zoom into any 17 year period between -3000 and 1900 and it will "look flat", and during many 17 year periods the temperature temporarily went up, but nonetheless you can see there's a clear downward trend throughout that period. It's impossible to deny that this trend has been sharply reversed. A 17 year period is normally supposed to tell you nothing interesting - but the 17 year period up to 1996 clearly indicates something quite disturbing is going on. Climate change is not negated by a temporary plateau.

bjz_ 13y ago

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998-intermediate.htm http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-19... The Daily Mail? Really?

kjackson2012 13y ago
That's comparing apples to oranges. All the other data used to create the original graph o calculate temperature such as tree rings, etc do not take into account the temperature of the oceans, etc. There may be perfectly good explanations as to why the temperature may be flat, but those same explanations are not being fed into the graph that the OP posted.
- anon1385 13y ago
  >All the other data used to create the original graph o calculate temperature such as tree rings, etc do not take into account the temperature of the oceans, etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_(climate)#Corals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_(climate)#Corals
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noiv 13y ago

What's flat is not global temperature, that's 2m air temperature. 90% of the greenhouse effect goes into the ocean. That's the place to look for rising temperatures and hopefully all that accumulated energy of latest 2 decades gets not released at once into the atmosphere with next El Niño.