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Love all these new technologies that are hardly proven in production and many have been proven to have fundamental design problems leading to security issues th

Love all these new technologies that are hardly proven in production and many have been proven to have fundamental design problems leading to security issues that cannot be engineered around without breaking the flexibility offered by the technology, such as PHP and Ruby. JSON and XML are just data formats, there's nothing special to know about them other than that a lot of stupid enterprises decided that they are standard now so that's what you'll use. Considering that Javascript isn't even a defined standard (although ECMAScript is) , I find the idea of a standard based on it quite laughable. This is more like a cheat sheet for farmland development, as requested by the landowner. Bring your own tools and teach yourself how to use them, just don't bring your own land unless you plan to forfeit it.

dragonwriter 13y ago
> Considering that Javascript isn't even a defined standard (although ECMAScript is) ECMAScript isn't a different language than Javascript, its just the name on the standard for the language (IIRC, the name is because of the trademark Sun had -- and Oracle now has -- on "JavaScript" [1].) [1] http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseType=SERIAL_N...
- AsymetricCom 13y ago
  > ECMAScript isn't a different language than Javascript That's not true, Javascript is what is implemented in various browsers under the standards those developers choose to implement. If ECMAScript was the same thing, then why would Mozilla bother licensing Javascript from Oracle? Considering all these tools are just development platforms for THE WEB? Shouldn't you be learning how the Web works so you know what you're actually building? No mention anywhere here of ports, REST, SOAP, caching (like I dunno, nginx which is now on what? like 75% of internet facing web hosts?) These so called technologies are shit, as proven in various papers on the subject. All you'll be doing is laying the groundwork for your enterprise to get hacked and taken over by large corporations using older, more secure and proven technologies.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > If ECMAScript was the same thing, then why would Mozilla bother licensing Javascript from Oracle? Trademarks are basically labels; what Mozilla licensed from Oracle (actually, as I recall the history, what Netscape licensed from Sun and transferred to Mozilla) is the right to use the trademark "JavaScript". It has nothing to do with the actual language, just the label.
    - AsymetricCom 13y ago
      That's just more fuel for my argument. The fact is that the trademark is where the value is, there is no value in the Javascript language. Every other day there's another Javascript vulnerability because that is how it was designed. http://thehackernews.com/2013/09/internet-explorer-zero-day-exploit-used.html http://thehackernews.com/2013/09/internet-explorer-zero-day-...

dragonwriter 13y ago

> Considering that Javascript isn't even a defined standard (although ECMAScript is) ECMAScript isn't a different language than Javascript, its just the name on the standard for the language (IIRC, the name is because of the trademark Sun had -- and Oracle now has -- on "JavaScript" [1].) [1] http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseType=SERIAL_N...

AsymetricCom 13y ago
> ECMAScript isn't a different language than Javascript That's not true, Javascript is what is implemented in various browsers under the standards those developers choose to implement. If ECMAScript was the same thing, then why would Mozilla bother licensing Javascript from Oracle? Considering all these tools are just development platforms for THE WEB? Shouldn't you be learning how the Web works so you know what you're actually building? No mention anywhere here of ports, REST, SOAP, caching (like I dunno, nginx which is now on what? like 75% of internet facing web hosts?) These so called technologies are shit, as proven in various papers on the subject. All you'll be doing is laying the groundwork for your enterprise to get hacked and taken over by large corporations using older, more secure and proven technologies.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > If ECMAScript was the same thing, then why would Mozilla bother licensing Javascript from Oracle? Trademarks are basically labels; what Mozilla licensed from Oracle (actually, as I recall the history, what Netscape licensed from Sun and transferred to Mozilla) is the right to use the trademark "JavaScript". It has nothing to do with the actual language, just the label.
  - AsymetricCom 13y ago
    That's just more fuel for my argument. The fact is that the trademark is where the value is, there is no value in the Javascript language. Every other day there's another Javascript vulnerability because that is how it was designed. http://thehackernews.com/2013/09/internet-explorer-zero-day-exploit-used.html http://thehackernews.com/2013/09/internet-explorer-zero-day-...