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As a Canadian, I'm more angry about the proposed human rights violations in Quebec. This "charter of values" is blatantly racist. http://www.nosvaleurs.gouv.q

• Mikeb85 13y ago
  Not sure I'd necessarily say racist... They should simply require all religious jewellery to be hidden/covered up for employees, and not allow covered faces. The ban on turbans and head-scarves is too much though. It's not as though working FOR the government is some sort of human right...
  • jdjb 13y ago
    "It's not as though working FOR the government is some sort of human right..." It's still wrong to lose your government job because of religious descrimination.
    • thex86 13y ago
      This will result in a brain drain for Quebec. There are many people who wear "religious symbols" that I know that are doctors, engineers in Quebec to whom their religion matters. They will most likely leave the province if this comes into effect.
  • richardlblair 13y ago
    "Not sure I'd necessarily say racist..." "It's not as though working FOR the government is some sort of human right..." Our Charter clearly states a person can't be judged bases off of sex, race, religion, or sexual orientation. I don't care what you call it, it's fucking wrong. I also don't care where you are from, in Canada, you don't judge people based off those things. Everyone has a right to those jobs, and to all jobs, unless they don't have the skills.
    • Mikeb85 13y ago
      Since when is covering your face a religious issue? My wife is Muslim (and black), she doesn't cover her face, nor does any of her family, most of whom have been to Hajj and are quite religious. My wife's face wasn't covered when we were married by a Sunni Imam in a Muslim ceremony. So is requiring someone's face to be visible a religious issue? A racism issue? What is it? How about tucking in a chain? Does that infringe on someone's religious beliefs? Should government employees have no dress code? Come in to work wearing a baseball cap?
      • bostonpete 13y ago
        > My wife is Muslim (and black), she doesn't cover her face How does this behavior of your wife say anything about what is or is not a religious issue for others?
        • Mikeb85 13y ago
          It doesn't, but it is a little anecdote to illustrate that what some people claim is an essential religious belief isn't necessarily so. Plenty of questionable behaviour gets glossed over as a 'religious' belief. Carrying weapons, polygamy, subjecting women and minorities, violence, etc... There absolutely has to be a line in the sand concerning what we as a society are willing to accept. Some fundamentalist Christians think they should burn witches and homosexuals, and in the past, did. Yet our society no longer considers that acceptable.
          • richardlblair 13y ago
            Completely off topic, but what is your issue with polygamy? This is something that is illegal in Canada, and I find it puzzling. TBH, I don't see the issue with it. If you take away the fact that Warren Jeffs is complete fuck tart, polygamists seem to have the same issues you would find in monogamous relationships. Are there stories that are horrible, yes, but you find that everywhere else. When you look at the facts, are there more/worse issues in plural marriages?
• dobbsbob 13y ago
  The 'values' charter is an attempt to make Quebec undesirable for immigrants who are less likely to vote for seperation. This is all the Bloc care about the whole religious symbols is a smoke screen
• richardlblair 13y ago
  I agree. As a Canadian this makes me much more angry. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms should be the starting point, and the fact that Quebec wants to override it makes me furious.
• smsm42 13y ago
  So Quebec now wants to regulate which hat you can wear and which shapes your earrings can be. Good work. I propose Pastafarians to adopt a religious dogma that one should wear clothes while in public. Let's see Quebec deal with that.
• davidy123 13y ago
  It's mostly racist as long as they keep the existing Christian symbols. France did this ten years ago, there's not much analysis.
  • cgh 13y ago
    Gov't employees would also be banned from wearing Christian symbols.
    • davidy123 13y ago
      yes but I'm referring to the crucifix in the assembly.
    • TheLegace 13y ago
      Why though? I mean I am an Indian who emigrated here, athiest now. But honestly what difference does it make. Do we want to live in a society where we have to concious about what religious symbol offended who. I find incredibly hypocritical that Quebec doesn't want a "Canadian" identity, they want their own. Yet they will prevent you from having our own identity. Since when was the state responsible for culture and identity. I thought that was for the people.....
      • noarchy 13y ago
        Since when was the state responsible for culture and identity. I thought that was for the people..... Maybe you have to live here, to see the scope of how much the government thinks that it is their business. I received mail from the government, touting "Nos Valeurs", a pamphlet that was printed and then mailed to me using my tax money. This is just plain old propaganda. The government has decided that these are "our" values, and it will use the power of the State to enforce it.
• olihb 13y ago
  It's still a project from minority government and all institutions/cities can withdraw from it. Montreal(1.65M pop) said that it will not apply the charter in their city. It still has a long way to go, but it's a good way to change the political agenda and pit rural areas and cities against each other. The worst thing about this charter is not that it makes a clear separation between church and state (like in France), but rather that some religions are "more equal" than others (for example, the crucifix will remain in the legislative chamber). So yeah, it's more of a "let's get everybody in the province riled up and angry at each other instead of creating jobs and fixing real problems." And since the separatist option is stuck at 30%, that's pretty much the best the Parti Québecois can do to please their troops.
• wat0 13y ago
  wrong. not racist. it only affects people in government, and doesn't affect your household. If you work for the government, and don't like it move out. it's a simple social contract. If you don't like what the government is doing, or what the citizens and government value more than your religious convictions, move somewhere else. yes, i'm canadian
  • pokoleo 13y ago
    I don't understand your logic. Can you edit/modify/respond to my post in a way that shows that choosing to limit what certain people who work in the government wear is not racist? I don't want to start a flame war, but want to understand your opinion, which I honestly don't understand. The only way to have meaningful political dialogue is to understand each other.
    • login1234 13y ago
      Religion != race
      • noarchy 13y ago
        Keep spinning it that way, if you'd like. But the people who are (for example) Muslim or Sikh in Quebec tend to not be white. The Jewish population is another matter, but the Quebec nationalists have it in for them, too, and that goes back decades.
  • wat2 13y ago
    not racist. Many feel it's targeted at immigrants like Muslims and Sikhs. If you work for the government, and don't like it move out. People would be FORCED to move out on the account of something that was not a problem until the PQ decided it was (for political gain too). yes, i'm canadian What an embarrassment.
    • wat0 13y ago
      What people feel doesn't make it fact. An embarrassment? Hardly. You don't agree with me and therefore I am an embarrassment? How convenient of you. Values can change. PQ are doing that. If you don't like it, go live somewhere else. Great bait. I took it.