I haven't played with Scratch in detail, but expect to graduate my kids to it (or something similar?) as soon as they can read. I won't claim expertise in age 8

I haven't played with Scratch in detail, but expect to graduate my kids to it (or something similar?) as soon as they can read. I won't claim expertise in age 8+ since I haven't dived in depth. One anecdote: I learned BASIC on my C-64 at age 7 sitting on my dad's lap, writing simple 'games' out of if-then statements. I think that traditional programming languages like Logo and Basic may be viable with mom/dad help as soon as they can read.