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I know this may sound super paranoid... but I'd rather just show up and show my support. This whole giving my info thing makes me think that somewhere there is

I know this may sound super paranoid... but I'd rather just show up and show my support. This whole giving my info thing makes me think that somewhere there is a list of people the government is deciding to label "terrorists" or "traitors" or "watch list". I don't see any details about where to meet and when and what not.

bendoernberg 13y ago
Stay tuned in the next couple weeks for announcements on rally location, march route, and confirmed speakers. FWIW, it seems pretty unlikely that you could make it to the rally without leaving a trail. If you drive, you'll probably get scanned by a license plate reader. If you bring your phone, you'll be tracked, if you use a credit card, that'll be recorded, and in DC you'll probably walk in front of a security camera that is or will be connected to a facial recognition system. I completely understand your hesitation, and I can't say that I haven't thought twice before saying certain things since the Snowden revelations. A lot of people have declined to sign up for the Restore the Fourth NYC email list because they don't want to "end up on a list." The way I see it, we have two choices; we can accept a world in which we are afraid to take political actions (like RSVP'ing to a rally or putting an email address down on a clipboard), or we can scream from the rooftops that we're not going to allow that world to come about. If enough of us take the second route, we'll win; if too many take the first route, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. /endrant
- mrt0mat0 13y ago
  I obviously own my very own Rorschach mask... Problem solved. You're welcome.
- thesagan 13y ago
  Let's try not to censor ourselves and let those lists grow to the point they become useless because everybody is on one.
DanI-S 13y ago
The fact that you are concerned about this is justification for attendance.
bmelton 13y ago
I wasn't at all worried about giving my email, but then I clicked the email and it expanded to ask for email, name, phone number and zip code. I admit that I skipped the phone number part... just in case. Super tinfoil hat mode me wouldn't put it past the NSA to put up a site JUST LIKE THIS and start categorizing the opposition.
- bendoernberg 13y ago
  Well, you can contact folks at any of the organizations listed to confirm that it's not an NSA operation. Not very likely the ACLU and EFF are going to allow their name to sit on a honeypot site. We asked for the phone numbers because we want to follow up with people who RSVP to see if they need help getting to the rally or finding a place to stay.
DamnYuppie 13y ago
There probably all ready is such a list and they probably already know if you would support something like this and what your general political viewpoint is. The flip side of that is that Congress and our elected officials don't know where you stand so it is good to show our support!

bendoernberg 13y ago

Stay tuned in the next couple weeks for announcements on rally location, march route, and confirmed speakers. FWIW, it seems pretty unlikely that you could make it to the rally without leaving a trail. If you drive, you'll probably get scanned by a license plate reader. If you bring your phone, you'll be tracked, if you use a credit card, that'll be recorded, and in DC you'll probably walk in front of a security camera that is or will be connected to a facial recognition system. I completely understand your hesitation, and I can't say that I haven't thought twice before saying certain things since the Snowden revelations. A lot of people have declined to sign up for the Restore the Fourth NYC email list because they don't want to "end up on a list." The way I see it, we have two choices; we can accept a world in which we are afraid to take political actions (like RSVP'ing to a rally or putting an email address down on a clipboard), or we can scream from the rooftops that we're not going to allow that world to come about. If enough of us take the second route, we'll win; if too many take the first route, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. /endrant

mrt0mat0 13y ago
I obviously own my very own Rorschach mask... Problem solved. You're welcome.
thesagan 13y ago
Let's try not to censor ourselves and let those lists grow to the point they become useless because everybody is on one.

DanI-S 13y ago

The fact that you are concerned about this is justification for attendance.

bmelton 13y ago

I wasn't at all worried about giving my email, but then I clicked the email and it expanded to ask for email, name, phone number and zip code. I admit that I skipped the phone number part... just in case. Super tinfoil hat mode me wouldn't put it past the NSA to put up a site JUST LIKE THIS and start categorizing the opposition.

bendoernberg 13y ago
Well, you can contact folks at any of the organizations listed to confirm that it's not an NSA operation. Not very likely the ACLU and EFF are going to allow their name to sit on a honeypot site. We asked for the phone numbers because we want to follow up with people who RSVP to see if they need help getting to the rally or finding a place to stay.

DamnYuppie 13y ago

There probably all ready is such a list and they probably already know if you would support something like this and what your general political viewpoint is. The flip side of that is that Congress and our elected officials don't know where you stand so it is good to show our support!