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here's the thing though, If google would have released an UI as bad as this (just my oppinion as an iphone user) all the tech press and the hardcore apple fanbo

here's the thing though, If google would have released an UI as bad as this (just my oppinion as an iphone user) all the tech press and the hardcore apple fanboys would have trashed it online and offline for months. Who will be the role model from now on for "near perfection", "attention to detail"? Just look at this: http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/hon.jpg?w=600&h=600 http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/hon.jpg?... and tell me how you feel about it :)

marrs 13y ago
You're upset that the cover is obscuring the word "iPhone"? Or is "hon" a euphemism for something and I'm not getting it?
- scep12 13y ago
  It's very sloppy. Especially for Apple.
  - arrrg 13y ago
    Eh. Apple has always been phoning in their accessories. They were never particularly good. I don’t see this as indicative of anything, it's just Apple being sloppy as they always are with these kinds of things. Where it counts Apple does not typically exhibit this behaviour, as evidenced by both new iPhones.
    - somebehemoth 13y ago
      I don't agree. Most of Apple's accessories are extremely stylish and complement their hardware: iPad smart cover, keyboards, mouses, chargers, ear buds, and monitors. I think the iPad smart cover alone demonstrates that Apple has the capability to make cases/covers for their mobile devices that are both functional and stylish. What accessories, besides the iPhone case discussed here, do you think Apple has made that are sloppy?
  - jfarmer 13y ago
    One word: antennagate.
    - gfodor 13y ago
      Antennagate was a myth. They didn't change anything about the antenna, as far as I know, yet somehow the whole problem just disappeared.
      - jfarmer 13y ago
        And still they released a phone with antenna issues. People complained just as they are now. Apple did something relatively rare and issued a "mea cuppa" in the form of a free case. Life went on. My point was that controversies like these design hiccups, the shape of the case, etc. are not new to Apple. In some ways the design issues are significantly less severe since they can be corrected without new hardware.
        gfodor 13y ago
        You keep implying Apple released a phone with legitimate antenna issues. My understanding is this has been pretty much shown to be false. Apple was responding to a media shitstorm and Jobs said the issue was "overblown." In other words, it was probably an extremely rare, if not completely non-existent, issue but was magnified due to the fact that it happened to a well known blogger.
      - ZeroGravitas 13y ago
        Brian Klug of Anandtech disagrees with you: https://mobile.twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/380217872380739584 https://mobile.twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/380217872380739...
- zenojevski 13y ago
  It's not bad per se, but it looks like someone designed the cover, and someone else designed the phone, and they never tested them together, or just didn't care. Again, this is not technically bad, but if you flaunt having a "staggering attention to detail" this is a sort of slap in the face of credibility. Having them design a larger hole to encompass the "iPhone" logo (even while still half-covering the babble below) would have, instead, sent a very clear "we cared" message to users. "hon" also is an informal diminutive for "honey".
ianstallings 13y ago
This reminds me of US political fanboys - "well if GWB had done this", "well if Obama had done that". I don't care what fanboys say or do online, on any side. I'm here to build good software. If someone has some constructive criticism, let me know.
- tolmasky 13y ago
  I'm not sure about the "ethics" of non-constructive criticism from a developer perspective, but I think it is completely justified from the customer perspective. I paid (a lot) for this phone, I am allowed to be unhappy with the direction it's going: 1. As a market signal to the creators (which serves as very useful feedback), and 2. Because realistically I have to upgrade or be forced to not get any updates for my apps either (just in case someone wants to chime in that I "could" stay on iOS 6). That's kind of the interesting thing we're seeing here that doesn't fit your analogy: most of the people complaining this time around are the iOS people about iOS.
coldtea 13y ago
>here's the thing though, If google would have released an UI as bad as this (just my oppinion as an iphone user) all the tech press and the hardcore apple fanboys would have trashed it online and offline for months. Google HAS produced a UI as bad as this. Actually worse. The Android UI, up until 4 was amateur hour. And still is not up there yet. It's just held in much less scrutiny compared to Apple, because nobody expects much better.
- jusben1369 13y ago
  Apple is really defined by superior design. Google is defined generally by superior engineering. A better point to make would be if Google revamped their search engine and it was meaningfully degraded experience for search. They'd be criticized and rightly so as that's what they're supposed to do better than anyone else.
  - Jtsummers 13y ago
    Didn't that happen, back around 2009? I remember many of my searches failing to find things they had the month or two before because Google was treating my parameters more as suggestions (returning results with 1 or 2 of the 4 or 5 words I'd used, ignoring quotes for grouping, etc).
    - Coincoin 13y ago
      What? They fixed that? Nope, searching anything with "verse" still makes Google think it knows better than you and searches for "vs" instead.
      - georgemcbay 13y ago
        There is a verbatim search option now which undoes some of the damage of this. But I agree that Google search has actually degraded over the past few years from the point-of-view of the highly sophisticated searcher (it may have improved or stayed the same for the masses).
      - 13y ago
pbreit 13y ago
I think it's the opposite: things in the Android world are far, far worse and get very little criticism. Expectations are different.

marrs 13y ago

You're upset that the cover is obscuring the word "iPhone"? Or is "hon" a euphemism for something and I'm not getting it?

scep12 13y ago
It's very sloppy. Especially for Apple.
- arrrg 13y ago
  Eh. Apple has always been phoning in their accessories. They were never particularly good. I don’t see this as indicative of anything, it's just Apple being sloppy as they always are with these kinds of things. Where it counts Apple does not typically exhibit this behaviour, as evidenced by both new iPhones.
  - somebehemoth 13y ago
    I don't agree. Most of Apple's accessories are extremely stylish and complement their hardware: iPad smart cover, keyboards, mouses, chargers, ear buds, and monitors. I think the iPad smart cover alone demonstrates that Apple has the capability to make cases/covers for their mobile devices that are both functional and stylish. What accessories, besides the iPhone case discussed here, do you think Apple has made that are sloppy?
- jfarmer 13y ago
  One word: antennagate.
  - gfodor 13y ago
    Antennagate was a myth. They didn't change anything about the antenna, as far as I know, yet somehow the whole problem just disappeared.
    - jfarmer 13y ago
      And still they released a phone with antenna issues. People complained just as they are now. Apple did something relatively rare and issued a "mea cuppa" in the form of a free case. Life went on. My point was that controversies like these design hiccups, the shape of the case, etc. are not new to Apple. In some ways the design issues are significantly less severe since they can be corrected without new hardware.
      - gfodor 13y ago
        You keep implying Apple released a phone with legitimate antenna issues. My understanding is this has been pretty much shown to be false. Apple was responding to a media shitstorm and Jobs said the issue was "overblown." In other words, it was probably an extremely rare, if not completely non-existent, issue but was magnified due to the fact that it happened to a well known blogger.
    - ZeroGravitas 13y ago
      Brian Klug of Anandtech disagrees with you: https://mobile.twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/380217872380739584 https://mobile.twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/380217872380739...
zenojevski 13y ago
It's not bad per se, but it looks like someone designed the cover, and someone else designed the phone, and they never tested them together, or just didn't care. Again, this is not technically bad, but if you flaunt having a "staggering attention to detail" this is a sort of slap in the face of credibility. Having them design a larger hole to encompass the "iPhone" logo (even while still half-covering the babble below) would have, instead, sent a very clear "we cared" message to users. "hon" also is an informal diminutive for "honey".

ianstallings 13y ago

This reminds me of US political fanboys - "well if GWB had done this", "well if Obama had done that". I don't care what fanboys say or do online, on any side. I'm here to build good software. If someone has some constructive criticism, let me know.

tolmasky 13y ago
I'm not sure about the "ethics" of non-constructive criticism from a developer perspective, but I think it is completely justified from the customer perspective. I paid (a lot) for this phone, I am allowed to be unhappy with the direction it's going: 1. As a market signal to the creators (which serves as very useful feedback), and 2. Because realistically I have to upgrade or be forced to not get any updates for my apps either (just in case someone wants to chime in that I "could" stay on iOS 6). That's kind of the interesting thing we're seeing here that doesn't fit your analogy: most of the people complaining this time around are the iOS people about iOS.

coldtea 13y ago

>here's the thing though, If google would have released an UI as bad as this (just my oppinion as an iphone user) all the tech press and the hardcore apple fanboys would have trashed it online and offline for months. Google HAS produced a UI as bad as this. Actually worse. The Android UI, up until 4 was amateur hour. And still is not up there yet. It's just held in much less scrutiny compared to Apple, because nobody expects much better.

jusben1369 13y ago
Apple is really defined by superior design. Google is defined generally by superior engineering. A better point to make would be if Google revamped their search engine and it was meaningfully degraded experience for search. They'd be criticized and rightly so as that's what they're supposed to do better than anyone else.
- Jtsummers 13y ago
  Didn't that happen, back around 2009? I remember many of my searches failing to find things they had the month or two before because Google was treating my parameters more as suggestions (returning results with 1 or 2 of the 4 or 5 words I'd used, ignoring quotes for grouping, etc).
  - Coincoin 13y ago
    What? They fixed that? Nope, searching anything with "verse" still makes Google think it knows better than you and searches for "vs" instead.
    - georgemcbay 13y ago
      There is a verbatim search option now which undoes some of the damage of this. But I agree that Google search has actually degraded over the past few years from the point-of-view of the highly sophisticated searcher (it may have improved or stayed the same for the masses).
    - 13y ago

pbreit 13y ago

I think it's the opposite: things in the Android world are far, far worse and get very little criticism. Expectations are different.